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    I am so heated

    ANOTHER NIGHT with no liberties.. WHAT IN THE %*^*^ gives the government to tell me, a grown @^& tax paying citizen that i have to be in my house by 9pm... and that i cant leave until 5... OMG.. i dont care if the world is on fire and china is storming the beaches, in my opinion GOVERNMENT AT NO LEVEL has the right to tell me where i can and cant travel.. ....im so pissed. i just left the sheriffs office and i have some strong words for my state rep monday. (who also happens to be a strong libertarian)

    anyways, whats the deal with carry right now, cuz im bout to go try to get arrested just so i can take my case to court and wondering if i should take my side arm in the trunk or something.

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    SALISBURY is even under curfew!! on the other side of that STATE!!!!!


    arizona is looking better and better.. at least they still have most freedoms

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    The Governor exempted carry.

    Section 7.
    This order is adopted pursuant to my powers under Article 1 of Chapter 166A of the General Statutes and under Article 36A of Chapter 14 of the General Statutes. It does not trigger the limitations on weapons in G.S. 14-288.7 or impose any limitation on the consumption, transportation, sale or purchase of alcoholic beverages.


    Can't tell you what the local Gov's did. They can restrict it if they want to as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefjason View Post
    The Governor exempted carry.

    Section 7.
    This order is adopted pursuant to my powers under Article 1 of Chapter 166A of the General Statutes and under Article 36A of Chapter 14 of the General Statutes. It does not trigger the limitations on weapons in G.S. 14-288.7 or impose any limitation on the consumption, transportation, sale or purchase of alcoholic beverages.


    Can't tell you what the local Gov's did. They can restrict it if they want to as well.
    wouldnt state law trump that in the court?? Thanks for posting that. i just saw the link to that a few minutes ago in the other thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC_Biggs View Post
    wouldnt state law trump that in the court?? Thanks for posting that. i just saw the link to that a few minutes ago in the other thread.
    Trump local law? From the looks of it, no. Local authorities actually seem to have more authority in SOE's. And in reality, that's the way it should be. The local Gov should be the one's calling something like this. Instead of Raleigh telling Sylva what to do in an SOE. Might want to check these out.

    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedL...14-288.12.html


    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedL...14-288.13.html

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    What are they gonna do to you if they find you out after 9p??? Order you back to your room
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC_Biggs View Post
    SALISBURY is even under curfew!! on the other side of that STATE!!!!!


    arizona is looking better and better.. at least they still have most freedoms
    That was Salisbury in Maryland.
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    People like to complain about curfews but if the tables are turned and people are out and taking advantage of the situation to break into houses and buildings then you all would be complaining the law wasn't doing anything to protect those property's.

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    Honestly, the curfews don't bother me during a major storm. I went out last evening at about 6PM to get out of the apartment for a bit. There were a few power lines knocked down and major flooding. It would near impossible to drive on the roads during the night time in those conditions. The curfews keep people safe. Without the curfews, the people who were boogie-boarding in tainted storm waters would be the ones out driving at midnight with non-functioning traffic lights and flooded streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattwestm View Post
    Honestly, the curfews don't bother me during a major storm. I went out last evening at about 6PM to get out of the apartment for a bit. There were a few power lines knocked down and major flooding. It would near impossible to drive on the roads during the night time in those conditions. The curfews keep people safe. Without the curfews, the people who were boogie-boarding in tainted storm waters would be the ones out driving at midnight with non-functioning traffic lights and flooded streets.
    I will defer to Benjamin Franklin:

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFOVER View Post
    People like to complain about curfews but if the tables are turned and people are out and taking advantage of the situation to break into houses and buildings then you all would be complaining the law wasn't doing anything to protect those property's.
    Actually I would prefer to be allowed to go back in or not to leave in the first place so that I could protect my own stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscottie View Post
    I will defer to Benjamin Franklin:

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
    I normally do not agree with curfews (for underage people, etc.), however, these curfews would not be necessary if they were sure that people would stay home. Unfortunately, there are stupid people out there. What happens if someone runs over a live electric line and requires medical attention? I really don't think paramedics are going to be wanting to be driving in poor road conditions, only because someone was stupid enough to venture out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattwestm View Post
    I normally do not agree with curfews (for underage people, etc.), however, these curfews would not be necessary if they were sure that people would stay home. Unfortunately, there are stupid people out there. What happens if someone runs over a live electric line and requires medical attention? I really don't think paramedics are going to be wanting to be driving in poor road conditions, only because someone was stupid enough to venture out.
    Not to be overly simplistic, but if they come in to contact with a live power line, they will probably die.

    I am responsible for my safety. I am responsible for my life. I do not need the government telling me that I cannot leave my home or that I have to leave my home because they feel they know best.

    The government just needs to step aside, maybe tell everyone that they recommend evacuation but will not make you leave. But, if you stay, do not expect the cavalry coming to your rescue. You are on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motofixxer View Post
    What are they gonna do to you if they find you out after 9p??? Order you back to your room
    um how about ARREST YOU.. A couple of my freinds were almost arrested, MILTARY MEMBERS as a matter of fact, because they were out. they came to my house to shower since they had no power.. when they got pulled over, she was like, I havent done anything illegal so i dont see why your questioning me. and the cop being a dick put her her in the car. she text me during this, and when she didnt text back i called the sheriff. It is BS.

    the storm was over. there is no need for a curfew. period. imo there shouldnt of been one in the first place even during the storm. if you drive over a live power line, thats your own damn fault. but if i decide to go take a shower cuz i dont have water.. its none of anyones business but mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscottie View Post
    I will defer to Benjamin Franklin:

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

    A M E N ...u sir are going on the friends list.

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    curfew

    A large +1 to rscottie and JC_Biggs.

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    Seems to me that these curfews go against nature. Nature has a natural selection process which tends to thin out the "stupid" gene from a species. When government interferes with that process, the "stupid" gene is allowed to procreate and we end up with an increase in stupid people. This is evident in multiple ways. You see people out surfing during a hurricane. You see people out touching or getting near downed power lines. You can tell that government has interfered more and more by the warning labels we see on our products like Dont drink bleach or keep plastic bags away from children. One of our main problems of today is, stupid people are allowed to sue anything or anyone that fails to keep them safe. I know a zoo would be sued if someone stuck their arm in a tiger's cage and was mauled so I guess you really cant blame government from trying to keep from getting sued. We really need to get back to nature and let those with the gene in question suffer the consequences of their actions but I dont think our legal departments are going to let up anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattwestm View Post
    What happens if someone runs over a live electric line and requires medical attention?
    Evolution!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattwestm
    curfews keep people safe.

    Laws do NOT keep people safe.
    Citizens voluntarily following laws tend to come to (or cause) less harm.

    A law that says "don't drink alcohol & drive a car" doesn't stop people from drinking alcohol & driving a car.
    A law that says "don't kill unless it's to save your own life" doesn't stop people from killing over a look or an electronic game.
    A law that says "stay in your home from 9p-6a" doesn't stop people from going out & doing dumb stuff.
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    What's wrong with a few people going out and thinning the herd of themselves???

    Yep they go out and get hurt etc...whatever. Make a statement emergency services are extremely limited or not operational etc... Adults should be able to make decisions, and then deal with those decisions consequences.
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    I don't know anything about these curfews... But if they're "zero tolerance" like I expect they probably are then I can't be for it.

    I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons a law abiding person may need to leave home during those hours. Then if you get stopped you're supposed to rely on an average LEO's reasoning of whether or not your "excuse" passes muster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    Seems to me that these curfews go against nature. Nature has a natural selection process which tends to thin out the "stupid" gene from a species.
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    Evolution!
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    What's wrong with a few people going out and thinning the herd of themselves???
    Here lies the problem with these 3 posts. When these people decide they want to go outside because they want to fight "the man" and get hurt you have now taken emergency personnel away from something else to deal with these problems, and that something else could be something critical. "Law abiding" citizens can get hurt just as easy as a "criminal"

    The same people complaining are also the ones likely to be inline when FEMA shows up to collect a check because their homes have been damaged. Its ok to "fight the man" till they start sending out money then its oh I need some of that.

    I've never understand why people in this country feel they have it so bad. Take a trip to a country that doesn't have a tenth of the freedoms we have here in the US and see how you like it. You live in a country where you have a job, drive a car, pay fairly cheaply for gas compared to other places, are actually allowed to carry a weapon, practice what religion you want and a ton of other things, yet you complain because you have to stay inside for a few nights by a certain time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFOVER View Post
    Here lies the problem with these 3 posts. When these people decide they want to go outside because they want to fight "the man" and get hurt you have now taken emergency personnel away from something else to deal with these problems, and that something else could be something critical. "Law abiding" citizens can get hurt just as easy as a "criminal"

    The same people complaining are also the ones likely to be inline when FEMA shows up to collect a check because their homes have been damaged. Its ok to "fight the man" till they start sending out money then its oh I need some of that.

    I've never understand why people in this country feel they have it so bad. Take a trip to a country that doesn't have a tenth of the freedoms we have here in the US and see how you like it. You live in a country where you have a job, drive a car, pay fairly cheaply for gas compared to other places, are actually allowed to carry a weapon, practice what religion you want and a ton of other things, yet you complain because you have to stay inside for a few nights by a certain time.
    The Governor already had stated that people who stayed were on their own. She should and local authorities stick to their word. People also who live in a high flood area should have flood insurance. FEMA is a deterrence to those numptys buying insurance. People should not be rewarded for acting like idiots.

    BTW wanting to keep our rights has nothing to do with other countries. Seems to me the reason we have it better is because of those rights. Those that wish to relinquish their rights should move to one of those countries and not infringe on the rest of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFOVER View Post
    Here lies the problem with these 3 posts. When these people decide they want to go outside because they want to fight "the man" and get hurt you have now taken emergency personnel away from something else to deal with these problems, and that something else could be something critical. "Law abiding" citizens can get hurt just as easy as a "criminal"

    The same people complaining are also the ones likely to be inline when FEMA shows up to collect a check because their homes have been damaged. Its ok to "fight the man" till they start sending out money then its oh I need some of that.

    I've never understand why people in this country feel they have it so bad. Take a trip to a country that doesn't have a tenth of the freedoms we have here in the US and see how you like it. You live in a country where you have a job, drive a car, pay fairly cheaply for gas compared to other places, are actually allowed to carry a weapon, practice what religion you want and a ton of other things, yet you complain because you have to stay inside for a few nights by a certain time.
    Your defense of the government telling you that you have to "go to your room" says enough about you than my post ever did about me. Fact is, I dont need a government to tell me not to go out in the rain during a thunderstorm. I dont need any government official telling me not to play with downed power lines or not to go surfing in the ocean during a hurricane. Oh by the way, I pay dearly for insurance to cover my house, cars and health. I dont rely on FEMA unlike some of these idiots do to cover their butts in the case of an emergency nor do I receive medicaid or food stamps. Believe it or not, there are some Americans who believe in self sufficiency. We do what we have to do to take care of ourselves and our families. It appears you have a lot more faith in your government than I do. You seem to have an expectation that they will take care of you if things go bad. I dont.

    Truth be known, I bet I have been to more countries than you have. Your lecture on how good I have it here in America should be saved for someone in high school who may be impressed with your worldly views. Believe it or not, jobs, cheap gas, and a car are not guaranteed to you just because you are here in this country. There are plenty of folks out there who could school you on this concept. The America you talk about was a lot better place when personal responsibility was the norm rather than the exception.

    Dont get me wrong, government can do good things like provide for a common defense but to try and tell me they have the right to send me to my room because I am not smart enough not to go out in the rain is way beyond their limits. So you just sit back and do everything "the man" tells you to do and live your life in your bubble while the rest of us try and keep "the man" out of our lives and out of our pockets.

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