Thread: Kimberling City Gun Show
Went to the Kimberling City Gun Show today. It was pretty small, maybe 30 tables, tops. Primarily rifles in the .22 range, though there were some really nice pieces. OCed for a good hour and a half, noone commented even after I drew my gun a few times from its holster to check on other holsters some of the guys had for sale. Strangely enough, noone else was openly carrying a handgun.
No... why would I be dumb enough to do that? Even though I carry it loaded but unchambered, whenever I take it out of the holster to show or to try something like a holster, the mag comes out and I check it. Sheesh, I may have a low post count but I'm not a newb.
I also was wondering why you carry a self defense gun with a loaded magazine but not a round in the chamber. That 1/10th of a second or more it would take to chamber a round could get you killed in a SHTF situation. Also no matter how much one practices chambering there is always the chance of a misfeed and that would sure get one killed.
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I do not recall the exact number but it was in the 20's on percent.
And to add to that, those whom stated they did not practice draw fire missed the safety on the 1911 cocked and locked and that was near 20 percent as well.
It was a live fire simulator, they simply added a PA horn at each possible target with a loud lions roar or similar to ad the startle effect to the pop up targets.
If you are going to carry unchambered I recommend you load up with snap caps and tell your significant other that at random times during the day you want them to slap you in the face as hard as they can and then time you to racked and POA on target, make sure you tell them to slap you from the back too. You may find that startle effect significantly reduces your ability to effectively defend yourself.
John C. Eastman Associate Dean of Chapman University’s School of Law "the Second Amendment, like its sister amendments, does not confer a right but rather recognizes a natural right inherent in our humanity."
For those of you who do keep your guns chambered (and wonder why I do not as though I am just asking myself to get killed), what sort of defensive/tactical training do you do that makes that 1/10th of a second so important (especially since its been shown that someone can turn around during the flight of a bullet to make what would have been a chest shot turn into a shot in the back)?
A headache caused by hitting one's self in the head with a hammer is not cured by switching to a pipewrench.
I was under the impression that all guns were to be treated as if they were loaded at all times. Removing a carried firearm from a holster under any circumstances other than to shoot it, store it, or clean it is problematic. The excuse "Well, it wasn't loaded" is the same (pardon my French) DUMBASS excuse I've heard 1000 times from folks who are just plain inexperienced around firearms. Hearing it here leads to the very relevant question: "Are you truely incompetent, or just acting like it?"
To suggest a remedy for "loaded chamber syndrome" (or "bangaphobia" as I like to call it) by slapping someone and drawing a firearm from its holster (with or without snapcaps) is STILL removing a carried firearm from its holster in a manner inconsistent with SAFETY. As I know you LMTD, I'm surprised at this coming from you. You've always seemed like a knowlegeable and responsible carrier.
This post simply confirmed my previous theory: Those who learn to carry with a chambered round tend to become hypersensitive to the handling of firearms. Whereas, those who choose to carry without a round chambered tend to become complacent becuase they get in the habit of "Well, it's not loaded."
What kind of person would you rather stand next to:
1) A person who carries a firearm ready to fire, therefore TREATS EVERY FIREARM AS IF IT WERE READY TO FIRE (because they are).
2) Someone who is constantly drawing and replacing their firearm with....without....in.......out...in....with the magazine....without the magazine....in...the holster......
...because they've learned: "Well, it isn't loaded."
You LEARN what you PRACTICE. I've LEARNED to treat every gun as if it were loaded, and I am hypersensitive to others doing so because I know that every gun I touch has ONE IN THE PIPE. I'm used to it. I've familiarized myself with the habit of carrying in this manner, therefore, I ALWAYS, without fail, treat every gun I touch as if it has one chambered. Because it does. It will go "BANG" without fail.
Well, if you LEARN what you PRACTICE, what do you learn if you carry without one in the chamber? You learn that the firearm in your holster, your hand, or setting on the table isn't really dangerous because you know that it really won't go "BANG" when you pull the trigger. You have learned an ingrained habit, therefore, for all the "treat every gun as if it is loaded" that you hear, it really doesn't register in the same manner, because deep inside, you have learned that....it really isn't loaded. Therefore, how can you be expected to deeply understand the implications (real or imagined) of nonchalantly removing and replacing your firearm in and out of its holster?
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