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Letter to Senator/Representative regarding MD training

paul@paul-fisher.com

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Let's nip this in bud.

Representative xxx,

Rumblings are coming out of the DOJ regarding the online firearm training offered by the MD State Police. Act 35 says:


"175.60(4)(a)(1)(c) A firearms safety or training course that is available to the
public and is offered by a law enforcement agency
or, if the course
is taught by an instructor who is certified by a national or state
organization that certifies firearms instructors or by the department,
by a technical college, a college or a university, a private or
public institution or organization, or a firearms training school."

[url]http://www.mdgunsafety.com/

[/URL]

Welcome to the Maryland Police Training Commission Firearms Safety Training Site.
Completion of this Firearms Safety Training course will satisfy one of the requirements for firearms ownership under Maryland law. You must consult Maryland and federal law for the remaining requirements for legal possession and ownership of a firearm."


Can you please remind them of the part above and "‎175.60(2)(b) The department may not impose conditions, limitations, or requirements that are not expressly provided for in this section on the issuance, scope, effect, or content of a license."



If they do NOT accept the MD training, I might be forced to use "‎175.60(14m) APPEALS TO THE CIRCUIT COURT. (a) An individual
aggrieved by any action by the department denying an application
for, or suspending or revoking, a license under this section, may
appeal directly to the circuit court of the county in which the individual
resides without regard to whether the individual has sought
review under the process established in sub. (14g).
(b) To begin an appeal under this subsection, the aggrieved
individual shall file a petition for review with the clerk of the
applicable circuit court within 30 days of receiving notice of
denial of an application for a license or of suspension or revocation
of a license. The petition shall state the substance of the
department’s action from which the individual is appealing and
the grounds upon which the individual believes the department’s
action to be improper. The petition may include a copy of any
records or documents that are relevant to the grounds upon which
the individual believes the department’s action to be improper.
(c) A copy of the petition shall be served upon the department
either personally or by registered or certified mail within 5 days
after the individual files his or her petition under par. (b).
(d) The department shall file an answer within 15 days after
being served with the petition under par. (c). The answer shall
include a brief statement of the actions taken by the department.
The department shall include with the answer when filed a copy
of any documents or records on which the department based its
action.
(e) The court shall review the petition, the answer, and any
records or documents submitted with the petition or the answer.
The review under this paragraph shall be conducted by the court
without a jury but the court may schedule a hearing and take testimony.
(f) The court shall reverse the department’s action if the court
finds any of the following:
1. That the department failed to follow any procedure, or take
any action, prescribed under this section.
2. That the department erroneously interpreted a provision of
law and a correct interpretation compels a different action.
3. That the department’s action depends on a finding of fact
that is not supported by substantial evidence in the record.
4. a. If the appeal is regarding a denial, that the denial was
based on factors other than the factors under sub. (3).
b. If the appeal is regarding a suspension or revocation, that
the suspension or revocation was based on criteria other than those
under sub. (14) (a) or (am).
(g) 1. The court’s decision shall provide whatever relief is
appropriate regardless of the original form of the petition.
2. If the court reverses the department’s action, the court may
order the department to pay the aggrieved individual all court
costs and reasonable attorney fees."

I hope I am over reacting but we need this decided shortly. They (DOJ) are supposed to publish the rules 9/1.


Thanks!

--
Paul L Fisher
 
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jrclen

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If we use the hunter safety course to get the permit, we can then take any course we wish to take and the DOJ has nothing to say about it.
 

Da Po-lock

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Green Bay, WI
Why is this being addressed ? Have there been rumors of the DOJ will deny MD online training ?

I fully plan on holding the DOJ's feet to the fire on the letter of the law by submitting MY MD training for my permit.
If they do I SURELY will appeal it.

........Da Po-lock
 

rcawdor57

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Anyone Got That "Troll Spray"?

The troll(s) has been banned how many times under how many screen names? Get out the super size "Troll Spray".
 

LaBomba

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Tosa
Yup, keep hounding the DOJ. Not a very smart plan.



When your hound is named Democracy, you have a duty to sic it on government.

Sending polite, informative letters to elected officials and bureaucrats telling them what you want is American, not "hounding."

DOJ has said that it will decide whether on-line training qualifies. That means DOJ staff think there's a gray area there that needs interpretation. DOJ's decision regarding on-line training will also dictate whether DOJ sets criteria for other types of training. If DOJ decides it has the authority to disqualify MD, chances are DOJ will exercise that authority to set other criteria for other training.
 

Outdoorsman1

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Location
Silver Lake WI
We got 99% of what we wanted. Next time we'll get the rest.

You may have gotten 99% of what you wanted, but what we "Got" is 0% of true "Constitutional Carry".

The only thing I thought we got from my list of wants (Constitutional Carry) was the ability to open carry in a vehicle loaded and holstered on the hip without a permit... now even that seems to be in question...

Oh wait, we CAN legally carry loaded and holstered on the hip in a vehilce and also within 1000 ft of a school (and other things).... all we need to do is jump through their hoops and get the (STINKIN) PERMIT.... and we only had to wait 4 MONTHS to do it...

99% of a stinky pile, still stinks...

Just sayin...

Outdoorsman1
 
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springfield 1911

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Yup, keep hounding the DOJ. Not a very smart plan.

I'm sorry handyman, But the founders set up our Gov. to be empowered of the people by the people and for the people. It's been a long long time since the people have had a say and we the people have a lot to say and it is about time we start saying it. We need to take back our country and give it back to the men and women on the street.
 

paul@paul-fisher.com

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I'm sorry handyman, But the founders set up our Gov. to be empowered of the people by the people and for the people. It's been a long long time since the people have had a say and we the people have a lot to say and it is about time we start saying it. We need to take back our country and give it back to the men and women on the street.

I caved in and accepted the restrictions to my rights. I'll be damned if I let them take one more inch. The law was written as written for a reason. We cannot tolerate them disobeying it.
 
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