Winter OC Holster

xmanhockey7 · Sep 4, 2011

I just got a 5.11 winter coat with zip up slits on the side but from what I've found it'll end up concealed it but if I leave them zipped down the jacket doesn't go down very far and doesn't conceal it.

WalkingWolf · Sep 4, 2011

xmanhockey7 said:
I know the feeling. I'm not 21 until May in a couple years.

Gee I won't turn 21 for another 6 decades. I guess if you like drop leg holsters that is ok, I don't like anything that flops around when doing chores. I also think it makes it harder for weapon retention if someone actually does try to make a grab. Course with me they have to sustain cane blows to get that close. When I am not doing chores I carry a 3ft dogwood cane, no I don't actually need one but they are a legal baton. It is not heavy enough to break bones but it gets the point across.

stainless1911 · Sep 4, 2011

I modified a Serpa to a leg drop as well, dang thing works perfectly.

RenkaiWulf · Sep 4, 2011

WalkingWolf said:
Gee I won't turn 21 for another 6 decades. I guess if you like drop leg holsters that is ok, I don't like anything that flops around when doing chores. I also think it makes it harder for weapon retention if someone actually does try to make a grab. Course with me they have to sustain cane blows to get that close. When I am not doing chores I carry a 3ft dogwood cane, no I don't actually need one but they are a legal baton. It is not heavy enough to break bones but it gets the point across.

i dont understand what you mean "flop around" mine stay right where i put it as long as the straps are tight. its just a thumb break but it sits directly under my hand when arms are hanging down so im not sure as i haven't tested how hard it would be to grab(tested with a buddy on my hip holster) but it has decent retention IMO
thanks for your opinion i will be sure to try my grab test b4 i start OCing with it

WalkingWolf · Sep 4, 2011

RenkaiWulf said:
i dont understand what you mean "flop around" mine stay right where i put it as long as the straps are tight. its just a thumb break but it sits directly under my hand when arms are hanging down so im not sure as i haven't tested how hard it would be to grab(tested with a buddy on my hip holster) but it has decent retention IMO
thanks for your opinion i will be sure to try my grab test b4 i start OCing with it

My property consists of dense woods in places, I chop wood and do other chores where I like my gun high and close so it does not hang up on anything. You would be surprised how things flop around when on the run, such as a couple of times fighting brush fires. For an old fart I am active, so if there is the least chance of any equipment moving around it is not for me. Nothing personal just my preference.

RenkaiWulf · Sep 4, 2011

yea in the woods i understand alot of things for it to get caught on, im no where near the woods now but i lived near dense woods from the time i was 3 till i was 13 so i know how bad it can get, hell sometimes its a wonder your shirt doesnt get torn off :lol:

Michigander · Sep 4, 2011

WalkingWolf said:
or do as I do wear the gun belt on the outside of the coat.

Yep. And that goes triple, maybe more, for someone without a CPL. There can be no accidental concealment this way, and availability is optimal.

cmdr_iceman71 · Sep 6, 2011

The only reason I don’t like the gun belt totally outside the coat is because there is point of vulnerability for a gun grab when removing it and having to put it back on that is if you are going into establishments where you will be inside for awhile and will need to remove your coat. I humbly suggest going inside a bathroom stall to make the transition.

Admittedly when cycling on my bicycle in cold weather I will wear my gun belt completely on the outside of my coat but then that’s because I have no plans on removing it.

WalkingWolf · Sep 6, 2011

cmdr_iceman71 said:
The only reason I don’t like the gun belt totally outside the coat is because there is point of vulnerability for a gun grab when removing it and having to put it back on that is if you are going into establishments where you will be inside for awhile and will need to remove your coat. I humbly suggest going inside a bathroom stall to make the transition.

Admittedly when cycling on my bicycle in cold weather I will wear my gun belt completely on the outside of my coat but then that’s because I have no plans on removing it.

I either wear a short jacket or go to the restroom to make the transition. Just my opinion but making the transition in public might upset someone more than a gun grab. I never let anybody get that close anyway. Getting face to face with strangers is risky and I am not talking about guns. I don't want other people germs. If someone talks to me and they want to get close I politely ask them to step back, or cover my mouth and nose and back up. I don't like hospitals and I don't like being sick. While I rarely get the flu, if I do my body shuts down.

OC4me · Sep 9, 2011

It is ridiculous that a fundamental Right is only practical to exercise on sunny warm days.

Evil Creamsicle · Sep 11, 2011

when I had your issue I just ordered a serpa drop-leg platform from blackhawk's website, mounted my serpa holster right to it. Works great.

ETA: heres a link http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Tactical-Holster-Platform,814,82.htm

I also got one of these for my girlfriend

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Jacket-Slot-Duty-Belt-Loop,839,82.htm

Both work but the screws that come with the duty belt rig aren't right for standard serpas. I had to use my drop leg mount screws.

Scotchman · Sep 20, 2011

Michigan Winter Open Carry

Michigander said:
Yep. And that goes triple, maybe more, for someone without a CPL. There can be no accidental concealment this way, and availability is optimal.

How much of the Gun must be visible outside of the holster to still be considered Open Carry?

I have a CPL and am trying to decide what method to use for Church. ALSO, one could get a flapped holster for outdoor use but would that be considered concealed?

Simply put; What part of "Concealed" is dictated by the choice in Holsters?

fozzy71 · Sep 20, 2011

I only wear a coat (and CC as a result) when it is raining or snowing. In the winter I dress in layers: under-armor/long-johns if necessary, otherwise I just layer a t-shirt and some sort of long-sleeved shirt/sweat-shirt that I can tuck in and still OC. If I go somewhere that I have to stay for a while, and get too hot, I will go to the restroom and remove as many layers as necessary to be comfortable.

stainless1911 · Sep 20, 2011

IWB holsters ~= CC

OWB holsters = OC

Flap holsters worn OWB = OC

xmanhockey7 · Sep 20, 2011

Scotchman said:
How much of the Gun must be visible outside of the holster to still be considered Open Carry?

I have a CPL and am trying to decide what method to use for Church. ALSO, one could get a flapped holster for outdoor use but would that be considered concealed?

Simply put; What part of "Concealed" is dictated by the choice in Holsters?

There's no official definition in Michigan.

To me an inside the waist band (IWB) holster that allows the gun to still be visible is still open carry. An outside the waist band (OWB) holster is def still OC. The flap would depend on the holster. If it is visible that there is indeed a gun in there IMHO yes you would still be open carrying. I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice!

DrTodd · Sep 20, 2011

stainless1911 said:
IWB holsters ~= CC

OWB holsters = OC

Flap holsters worn OWB = OC

I'd like you on my jury! Remember, most here would not get any grief for this. But some may, and it could be serious...so I would only be willing to push the issue if I could afford to be found wrong. With a CPL, it wouldn't matter as much as it would being without one. Remember also, most jury members may not agree with you.

stainless1911 · Sep 20, 2011

Im guessing you have an issue with the flap holster then, why?

Evil Creamsicle · Sep 21, 2011

stainless1911 said:
Im guessing you have an issue with the flap holster then, why?

The doc is not saying he has an issue with them, he's saying that the right jury may believe that a flap holster constitutes concealing.

stainless1911 · Sep 21, 2011

I didnt think he had an objection to thier use. Although an AGO isnt binding to a case, just an opinion, if one were requested in your particular case, the AG might say that the question had been answered. That might then count as applicable to your case.

DrTodd · Sep 21, 2011

stainless1911 said:
I didnt think he had an objection to thier use. Although an AGO isnt binding to a case, just an opinion, if one were requested in your particular case, the AG might say that the question had been answered. That might then count as applicable to your case.

I have no problem with the notion that flap holsters would meet the definition of carrying openly in a holster. In fact I've carried in such a manner and consider it OC. But, my opinion is only important if I'm sitting on a jury. Like I tried to convey, some people may not see it this way... that is my concern. Try to remember we can mmqb this to death, but really those types of questions are academic because a jury could disagree and someone could be jacked up over this.

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