Thread: OC in the Ape Caves
I tried a search and couldn't find anything. Has anyone OC in the Ape Caves outside of Cougar WA. I do not have a WA CPL.
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Carry on! The only limitation are federal buildings, and they should be marked at the doors "no guns". If I'm not mistaken the Ape Caves are a state park. So no worry.
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I think it is legal to carry everywhere in Washington state, unless it is stated in an RCW and if on private property, until someone who owns or works at it tells you.
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take extra batteries! we explored the ape caves about 5 years ago and by the time we got out, 2 of our 3 flashlights were dead.
According to this website it is illegal to have firearms. I don't know how legit it is, but it might be along the lines of other places that have "No Firearms" signs that are not in compliance with the law. Anyways go down about the middle of the page where it says: "Ape Cave Hiker USFS Regulations:" Remember that it is not a federal park it is within the boundaries of a national forest , Ginford Pinchot to be exact and in the National Volcanic Monument...are the rules different in these places??? Anybody?
Just called (360) 449-7800 from the official website of the National Volcanic Monument Headquarters @Amboy,WA and asked the lady of the legality seeing as it isn't a National Park but a National Monument...in any event she started with the "There is a lot of people that carry up there, you have to be careful..." then towards the tail end of our conversation she says, "Why would you want to carry a firearm anyways?.." To which I replied ,"I carry all the time especially when in the back country to protect my family and myself. I am in the military and versed on weapons handling and marksmanship" There was a long silence. Then she referred me to to a Mr. Peterson. I left a message and will update.. What was odd was that she said it was legal but still referred me to Mr. Peterson.
Last edited by Lovenox; 09-06-2011 at 12:00 PM.
Thanks for the responses everyone. I have been to the Caves a number of time just never OCd there. I have my OR CWP and have been meaning to get one from WA too, just haven't found the time.
Lovenox - I look forward to hearing what you find out.
Yes it is allowed >>>> Persons with state-issued firearms "carry" permits will be allowed to carry firearms on refuges as long as they do so in compliance with the laws of the state that issued the permit.
According to the FWS, the new law will apply to all 551 units of the National Wildlife Refuge System, as well as the National Monuments and the 392 units of the National Park System.
Full story>>> http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2010/02...fe-refuges.htm
You have to follow the laws of the state you are in, so open carry is permissable.
Recieved a call this AM and according to the "horse's mouth" it is legal. He was gracious and non-judgmental.
Last edited by Lovenox; 09-08-2011 at 01:05 PM.
As will all NP, NF, NWR, NM and the alphabet soup of federal lands,,,except ACE...the rule is...IF...it is legal by state law, it is legal.
Some states still require a permit to carry at all, Washington and Oregon do not...therefore, all federal lands covered by 18 USC 930 (d) (3) It says nothing about a permit...it only says "lawful purpose". Also, Self-protection is even an enumerated "lawful purpose" to carry in Washington state law.
I do not understand where the NPS and others think they can even restrict carry in their buildings. They are not a Federal court.