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    School zone problem

    I am a long time observer and collector of information from this site and want to say thank you for all of the very useful data compiled here. I have been practicing an occasional open carry in my area and was pretty happy at the non-response I was getting. I liked being left alone and not having any difficulty with the cops or anyone that might be fearfull or misunderstand what i was doing.

    However bank closing across the street may have thrown a monkey wrench in my fine working plans of open carry around my house. The bank was sold and is now being leased to a company opening a Medical charter school. I think this means I will not be able to open carry anymore because it places me in a school zone.

    Is a small Medical Charter School really considered a school zone? Are my good days of open carry right outside of my own house over?



    I am in the process of getting references for the application for the license but I ripped up my application last week because I felt one of my references was flakey and didn't want that to backfire on me. Most of the other people I want to use for a reference I don't have current data for( I stick to my self normally so I fall out of touch with friends fast). I am confident I will get references but this concerns me because i feel my ability to safeguard my family is being limited. I am so worried about this I have started looking for a new place but it is tough to get approved for a place since I live on disability.

    I am really wondering now what exactly qualifies as a secondary school ( I believe that is the defining term to which is going to determine if my open carry at my place is indeed over).

    Thank you in advance even if the news is as I fear (bad).

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    State law says you can't carry on school grounds of a K-12 school unless you meet one of the exemptions.

    Federal law, which a local cop isn't going to enforce, says you can't carry withing 1,000 feet of a K-12 school.

    If this "medical charter school" is for adults only, then it's a non-issue.

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    A good resource is www.handgunlaw.us
    The PDF for PA is: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/pennsylvania.pdf
    That includes links to search PA statutes, as well as a thorough discussion of PA gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    State law says you can't carry on school grounds of a K-12 school unless you meet one of the exemptions.

    Federal law, which a local cop isn't going to enforce, says you can't carry withing 1,000 feet of a K-12 school.

    If this "medical charter school" is for adults only, then it's a non-issue.
    Need to pick nits with you. THE GFSZ Act creates a buffer zone 1,000 feet from the edge of the property the school is situated on. That's a lot different from "the school grounds" itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bu3d View Post
    I am a long time observer and collector of information from this site and want to say thank you for all of the very useful data compiled here. I have been practicing an occasional open carry in my area and was pretty happy at the non-response I was getting. I liked being left alone and not having any difficulty with the cops or anyone that might be fearfull or misunderstand what i was doing.

    However bank closing across the street may have thrown a monkey wrench in my fine working plans of open carry around my house. The bank was sold and is now being leased to a company opening a Medical charter school. I think this means I will not be able to open carry anymore because it places me in a school zone.

    Is a small Medical Charter School really considered a school zone? Are my good days of open carry right outside of my own house over?



    I am in the process of getting references for the application for the license but I ripped up my application last week because I felt one of my references was flakey and didn't want that to backfire on me. Most of the other people I want to use for a reference I don't have current data for( I stick to my self normally so I fall out of touch with friends fast). I am confident I will get references but this concerns me because i feel my ability to safeguard my family is being limited. I am so worried about this I have started looking for a new place but it is tough to get approved for a place since I live on disability.

    I am really wondering now what exactly qualifies as a secondary school ( I believe that is the defining term to which is going to determine if my open carry at my place is indeed over).

    Thank you in advance even if the news is as I fear (bad).
    By "right outside of my own house" do you mean still on your property? If so, you are fine no matter what kind of school it is. Otherwise, once you get your LTCF you will be ok to continue as you are currently doing.

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    Kindly explain what a "medical charter school" is.

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    A charter school is part of a public school system. They can go from first grade through 12th or be limited to High School. Charter schools have a "specialty" that is given heavy emphasis besides the State required courses. The specialty may be Performing Arts, Aerospace, a Foreign Language or the trades. A Vo-Tech school is an examlple. This school would concentrate on pre-pre-medical training like anatomy, chemistry, medical terminology etc. A graduate would be a few steps ahead when applying for medical school, nursing and medical/technical schools like Imaging, Phys Therapy etc.

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    IIRC the GFSZA does not apply to private property even if inside 1000 feet

    From the law
    (2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone. (B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm - (i) on private property not part of school grounds; (ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
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    the school zone thing is only for grades K-12. even if it is a K-12 school, if you're on your property, you can carry til you drop dead from it, even if you're within 20' of the school. if it's not K-12, the school zone thing doesn't apply. as far as your references are concerned, they don't need to be local, or even residents of PA. just pick people you know with a phone number, and who''l give you a good reference, if the sheriff even bothers to call them.

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