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    shooting in carson city, nv

    So I love when the media uses such threatening words in their stories....they make it seem like people have in their possession some violent weapon that needs to be restricted....

    "The Nevada Appeal said at least eight people were shot by a suspect carrying a semi-automatic weapon just before 9:00 a.m. local time."


    aren't all normal guns semi automatic? besides the single shot rifles of course...

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/06...ant-in-nevada/
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    What if he was carrying a scary revolver?
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    when the criminal is the only one carrying, their odds are way better than their victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer6 View Post
    aren't all normal guns semi automatic? besides the single shot rifles of course...
    bolt action =not semi-auto
    pump action =not semi-auto
    revolver =not semi-auto
    lever action =not semi-auto
    break action =not semi-auto

    Nope, but now you know the rest of the story.
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    Wink and, one more

    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    bolt action =not semi-auto
    pump action =not semi-auto
    revolver =not semi-auto
    lever action =not semi-auto
    break action =not semi-auto

    Nope, but now you know the rest of the story.
    full auto = not semi auto

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    NOT AN AK47!!!!!

    Why do no other shooting stories involve this kind of info? The suspect opened fire with a m1911a1 pistol or a Sig Sauer p226 tactical?
    My dad and I were just discussing this yesterday, a ruger rifle in 223 would be called a rifle in most news stories, but if it was an ar15....OMG AN ASSAULT RIFLE MIL SPEC MURDER MANUFACTURING DEVICE.

    sensationalize everything they must.....Mmmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    bolt action =not semi-auto
    pump action =not semi-auto
    revolver =not semi-auto
    lever action =not semi-auto
    break action =not semi-auto

    Nope, but now you know the rest of the story.
    are you just being sarcastic? because if you would have quoted the rest of my statement, you would have seen it said, "besides the single shot rifles of course..."

    because i said "normal guns".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    bolt action =not semi-auto
    pump action =not semi-auto
    revolver =not semi-auto
    lever action =not semi-auto
    break action =not semi-auto

    Nope, but now you know the rest of the story.
    SA Revolver = not semi-auto
    DA Revolver = semi-auto

    One trigger actuation per shot, automatically advances the next round into position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    SA Revolver = not semi-auto
    DA Revolver = semi-auto

    One trigger actuation per shot, automatically advances the next round into position.
    wrong. Double action is not in any way automatic, it is still manual operation. Automatic comes from something happening without the user doing anything. Semiauto should really be called autoloader; the loading and maybe cocking of the hammer are done automatically without actuation of any parts by the user. However, fans of the movie Zardoz would know that there is such a thing as a automatic revolver!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley-...matic_Revolver
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer6 View Post
    are you just being sarcastic? because if you would have quoted the rest of my statement, you would have seen it said, "besides the single shot rifles of course..."

    because i said "normal guns".
    revolvers are not single shot rifles,
    pump action is not single shot,
    lever action is not single shot,

    I think revolvers are normal guns, many people carry them. Pump action shotguns are very normal, that was my first carry weapon when I was a kid. and Lever action is fairly normal and common though perhaps not as much as the first two.

    perhaps I should have left the break action off as I did falling block since those are exempted by your statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    wrong. Double action is not in any way automatic, it is still manual operation. Automatic comes from something happening without the user doing anything. Semiauto should really be called autoloader; the loading and maybe cocking of the hammer are done automatically without actuation of any parts by the user. However, fans of the movie Zardoz would know that there is such a thing as a automatic revolver!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley-...matic_Revolver


    A DA revolver still requires a single trigger pull per shot, and nothing else.
    A semi-auto pistol also requires a single trigger pull per shot, and nothing else.


    Calling it an "automatic revolver" is quite a stretch.
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    The first several "news reports" I saw said things like, "Assault Weapon" and "Automatic Weapon."
    I wonder if they are being given the wrong facts by somebody with an agenda or if they do it all on their own.
    We'll see how long it takes for someone to respond with one of those conspiracy theories.

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    are you guys really arguing over SA and DA? if you are, then you don't know the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer6 View Post
    are you guys really arguing over SA and DA? if you are, then you don't know the difference.
    No, we are not arguing over them.

    Besides, there IS a difference between them. Maybe you aren't aware of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim12232 View Post
    NOT AN AK47!!!!!

    Why do no other shooting stories involve this kind of info? The suspect opened fire with a m1911a1 pistol or a Sig Sauer p226 tactical?
    My dad and I were just discussing this yesterday, a ruger rifle in 223 would be called a rifle in most news stories, but if it was an ar15....OMG AN ASSAULT RIFLE MIL SPEC MURDER MANUFACTURING DEVICE.

    sensationalize everything they must.....Mmmm?
    Actually, the Mini-14 in the recent Swedish incident was labeled an "assault rifle" as well.

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    Originally Posted by hammer6
    are you guys really arguing over SA and DA? if you are, then you don't know the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    No, we are not arguing over them.

    Besides, there IS a difference between them. Maybe you aren't aware of it.

    you quoted me, then misquoted your quote of me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer6 View Post
    Originally Posted by hammer6
    are you guys really arguing over SA and DA? if you are, then you don't know the difference.




    you quoted me, then misquoted your quote of me....
    No, that is inaccurate. But feel free to remain in error.

    Besides, given the opening post, it is quite in keeping with the discussion you began.

    Quote Originally Posted by hammer6 View Post
    So I love when the media uses such threatening words in their stories....they make it seem like people have in their possession some violent weapon that needs to be restricted....

    "The Nevada Appeal said at least eight people were shot by a suspect carrying a semi-automatic weapon just before 9:00 a.m. local time."


    aren't all normal guns semi automatic? besides the single shot rifles of course...

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/06...ant-in-nevada/
    The term used is MUCH preferred over the typical "he used an evil assault rifle!"


    Further, the publication in question just happens to be the OLDEST continuously operating business in Carson City, and is not a MSM publication.
    http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/...SC06/112454020
    I commend them for NOT using the typical "assault weapon" moniker in this instance.
    Last edited by wrightme; 09-09-2011 at 10:17 PM.
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