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    Educational thread

    In light of a recent issue on another thread, the guy refrenced some folks as being dumb for continuing to boycott Schnucks markets. While I will not pretend to give a damn what his thoughts are on the matter, the clueless approach made me wonder, do folks remember?

    Some of the folks here on ocdo are indeed very young aka new to the gun rights scene so to speak. Many may have no idea who they are indeed fighting with over such issues. I thought I would shed some historical light on that for you all. Please bear in mind, this is a single listing of companies who in 1999 (got year wrong on other thread, hey I am old, give me a break) who gave monies to FIGHT proposition B aka the CCW vote. The list is HUGE and the dollars are large.

    I remeber this list when I choose how to spend my dollars because I do not want my dollars spent fighting any gun rights, oc or otherwise. Here is the list without the Brady's who gave over 150k themselves to prevent it. Use it as you see fit.

    Handgun Control, Inc
    $155,504

    Development Specialists
    70 W. Madison Street, #2300
    Chicago, IL 60602
    $35,000

    Civic Council of Greater Kansas City
    1200 Main, Suite 2300
    Kansas City, MO 64105
    $25,000

    Greater Kansas City Chamber of Commerce
    911 Main Street, #2600
    Kansas City, MO 64105
    $25,000

    James B. Nutter Co.
    4153 Broadway
    Kansas City, MO 64111
    $25,000

    Schnucks Markets
    $25,000

    Silver Dollar City
    $25,000

    Sprint Corp PAC
    Parkway
    Westwood, KS 66205
    $25,000

    Hallmark Cards
    PO Box 418307
    Kansas City, MO 64141
    $20,000

    UtiliCorp Inc.
    10700 East 350 Highway
    Kansas City, MO 64138
    $20,001

    FAM Holdings
    114 West 11th Street
    Kansas City, MO 64105
    $15,000

    Southwestern Bell Telephone
    One Bell Center
    St. Louis, MO 63101
    $11,700

    Commerce Bank of Kansas City
    PO Box 13686
    Kansas City, MO 64199
    $10,000

    Commerce Bank of St. Louis
    8000 Forsyth Blvd.
    St. Louis, MO 63105
    $10,000

    Edward Jones Securities Brokerage
    12555 Manchester Road
    St. Louis, MO 63131
    Phone: 314-515-2000
    Fax: 314-515-2622
    $10,000

    DST Systems, Inc.
    333 West 11th St.
    Kansas City, MO 64105
    $10,000

    Express Scripts
    14000 Riverport Drive
    St. Louis, MO 63043
    $10,000

    SSM Health System
    477 N. Lindbergh
    St. Louis, MO 63141
    $10,000

    Unity Health
    1650 Des Peres Road, #301
    St. Louis, MO 63131
    $10,000

    Kingsdell P.C.
    232 N. Kingshighway Blvd.
    St. Louis, MO 63108
    $9,900

    American Century Companies
    PO Box 412046
    Kansas City, MO 64141
    $5,000

    BJC Health Systems
    4353 Clayton Road, Room 166
    St. Louis MO 63110
    $5,000

    Blue Cross Blue Shield
    PO Box 419169
    Kansas City, MO 64141
    $5,000

    Central Bancompany
    238 Madison
    Jefferson City, MO 65101
    Includes:
    Central Bank, Jefferson City
    Jefferson Bank, Jefferson City
    Boone County National Bank, Columbia
    First National Bank of Audrain County, Mexico
    City Bank and Trust, Moberly
    Farmers and Traders Bank, California
    Third National Bank of Sedalia
    Central Bank of Lake of the Ozarks
    First Central Bank, Warrensburg
    First National Bank of Missouri, Lee's Summit
    Empire Bank, Springfield
    Ozark Mountain Bank, Branson
    First National Bank of St. Louis
    $5,000

    Children's Mercy Hospital
    2401 Gillham Road
    Kansas City, MO 64108
    $5,000

    J.E. Dunn Construction - Kansas City
    $5,000

    Earthgrains
    PO Box 180905
    St. Louis, MO 63118
    $5,000

    Faultless Starch/Bon Ami
    1025 West 8th Street
    Kansas City, MO 64101
    $5,000

    General American
    PO Box 396
    St. Louis, MO 63166
    $5,000

    Kansas City Royals
    PO Box 419969
    Kansas City, MO 64141
    $5,000

    Kansas City Chiefs
    One Arrowhead Drive
    Kansas City, MO 64129
    $5,000

    Mallinckrodt, Inc.MO PAC
    675 McDonnell Blvd., Box 5840
    St. Louis, MO 63134
    $5,000

    Maritz, Inc.
    1375 N. Highway Drive
    Fenton, MO 63099
    $5,000

    Site Oil Company
    50 S. Bemiston
    St. Louis, MO 63105
    $5,000

    St. Louis Cardinals
    250 Stadium Plaza
    St. Louis, MO 63102
    $5,000

    St. Louis Rams
    One Rams Way
    St. Louis, MO 63045
    $5,000

    Sverdrup Corp. (Engineering)
    13723 Riverport Drive
    St. Louis, MO 63043
    $5,000

    Ballot Initiative Strategy Center
    33 Long Ave.
    Allsted, MA 02134
    $3,000

    Butler Manufacturing
    PO BOX 419917
    Kansas City, MO 64141
    $3,000

    Saint Luke's Shawnee Mission
    4401 Wornall Road
    Kansas City, MO 64111
    $3,000

    Tension Envelope
    819 East 19th St.
    Kansas City, MO 64108
    $3,000

    Cardinal Glennon Hospital
    1465 South Grand Blvd.
    St. Louis, MO 63104
    $2,500

    Harmon Industries
    PO Box 600
    Grain Valley, MO 64029
    $2,500

    Health Midwest
    2316 East Meyer Blvd.
    Kansas City, MO 64132
    $2,500

    Michael Douglas Foundation
    3550 Wilshire
    Los Angeles, CA 90010
    $2,500

    Missouri Gas Energy
    3420 Broadway
    Kansas City, MO 64111
    $2,500

    Hycel Properties
    101 South Hanley, #1300
    St. Louis, MO 63105
    $2,000

    INDEECO (Electric heating products for commercial and industrial applications)
    425 Hanley Industrial Court
    St. Louis, MO 63144
    $2,000

    St. Joseph Health Center
    1000 Carondele
    Kansas City, MO 64114
    $2,000

    World Wide Technology
    127A Weldon Parkway
    St. Louis, MO 63146
    $1,750

    Heartland Health Systems
    5325 Faraon
    St. Joseph, MO 64506
    $1,500

    Greater Kansas City WPC PAC
    4935 Mercier
    Kansas City, MO 64112
    $1,075

    AMC Entertainment Inc. (movie theatre chain in AZ, CA, Canada, DC, FL, GA, IL, KS, LA, MA, MI, MO, NC, NE, NJ, NY, OH, OK, PA, TX, VA, WA)
    106 West 14th Street
    Kansas City, MO 64105
    (816)221-4000
    traded on AMEX under name 'AEN'
    http://www.amctheatres.com/amc/amc_comments.html
    $1,000

    Argosy Casino
    777 NW Argosy Parkway
    Riverside, MO 64150
    $1,000

    Arthur Anderson
    100 Arthur Anderson Parkway
    Sarasota, FL 34232
    $1,000

    Brown and Associates
    232 N. Kingshighway, #202
    St. Louis, MO 63108
    $1,000

    The Claymont Company
    1830 Craig Park Road
    St. Louis, MO 63146
    $1,000

    Drumtech
    PO Box 15150
    St. Louis, MO 63110
    $1,000

    Educational Employees Credit Union
    4020 Fee Fee Road
    St. Louis, MO 63044
    $1,000

    First Morgan LLC
    18 S. Central Ave.
    St. Louis, MO 63105
    $1,000

    Gentry Properties
    1830 Craig Park Road
    St. Louis, MO 63146
    $1,000

    Jacmax Investment
    1830 Craig Park Road
    St. Louis, MO 63146
    $1,000

    Lemay Building Corp.
    1830 Craig Park Road
    St. Louis, MO 63146
    $1,000

    Marcone Appliances
    2300 Clark Avenue
    St. Louis, MO 63103
    $1,000

    Midwest Petroleum Co.
    6760 Southwest
    St. Louis, MO 63143
    $1,000

    S&H Parking
    1325 North 10th Street
    St. Louis, MO 63106
    $1,000

    Sosland Companies
    4800 Main Street, #100
    Kansas City, MO 64112
    $1,000

    St. Louis University
    221 N. Grand
    St. Louis, MO 63103
    $1,000

    Tomax Development Corp.
    1830 Craig Park Road
    St. Louis, MO 63146
    $1,000

    United Fruit and Produce
    51-71 Produce Row
    St. Louis, MO 63102
    $1,000

    Fabick Tractor
    One Fabick Drive
    Fenton, MO 63026
    $500

    Gateway National Bank
    5501 Lindell Blvd.
    St. Louis, MO 63108
    $500

    Paramount Liquor
    6501 Hall Street
    St. Louis, MO 63147
    $500

    Queenswood Investments
    18 S. Central Avenue
    St. Louis, MO 63105
    $500

    Sandy Rothschild and Assoc.
    7751 Carondelet Ave.
    St. Louis, MO 63105
    $500

    Broadway Office Interiors
    2115 Locus
    St. Louis, MO
    $450

    Solomon, Inc.
    PO Box 410826
    St. Louis, MO 63141
    $200

    Stephens and Associates, Inc.
    2350 Market Street, #400
    St. Louis, MO 63103
    $200

    The Claunett Company
    982 Crestwood Plaza
    St. Louis, MO 63126
    $100

    Stan-Key Plumbing Service
    2763 Tiara Drive
    Arnold, MO 63010
    $100

    For those who are still interested, that is 472,976 dollars, plus the 155,504 that the Brady's added for a total of 628,480 bucks given to PREVENT you from being able to carry a weapon on your person!

    They got that money from their customers, I am no longer a customer of any of them exclusive of the hospitals which I have no real choice on and Sprint but not by my own choice.

    Spend wisely.

    LMTD
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    Damn, my bank, the hospital I was born in as well as the ones my kids were born in and the place I get gas and see my movies .....all on the list.

    I'm a failure.

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    Point #1:Yes. These are the businesses and entities that spent money to fight your right to self defense. I personally reccommend, not only refusing to spend money at these places, but also informing your friends and family (and anyone else who will listen) as to WHY they shouldn't spend their money at these businesses. All this goes for nothing if these businesses HAVE NO IDEA THAT YOU, AND MANY OTHERS, ARE DOING THIS ON PURPOSE. (It is impossible for them to count the money they DON'T receive, as they don't receive it in order to count.) Therefore, NOT spending money at these places will only have an effect if you TAKE MEASURES TO INFORM THEM how much you have 1) refused to spend at their business, or 2) spent at their competitor's business...and WHY you have done so.

    So if you do boycott these places....make it an effective boycott and inform them of the REASON and HOW MUCH THEY LOST.

    Point #2: The discussion leads to what the reccommended course of action should be if (as in Schnucks) one of these businesses "sees the light" and changes their corporate policy regarding CCW. I personally have no problem with either choice of action, whatever anyone personally chooses to do. If you choose to 1)hold a grudge or 2) let bygones be bygones...both choices hold their own positives and negatives. For me personally, they cancel each other out, leaving me without an opinion on what anyone personally chooses.

    Help me weigh the different logical possibilities. If they DO change their corporate policy (as in Schnucks), should they be rewarded for doing so? Or should they continue to be punished by boycott?

    1) If they are rewarded, wouldn't this provide an incentive for OTHER businesses to change their policy, as well? ("Look at Schnuck's increased customer base! We should change our policy, too!")
    2) If they are rewarded, wouldn't this also provide an example that there are no repurcussions for supporting oppression of 2A rights? ("Schnucks spent $25,000, reversed their policy, and the Pro-2A folks shop there anyway. Why shouldn't we continue to fight 2A causes?")
    3) If they continue to be punished, wouldn't this illustrate to other businesses the futility of changing their policy? ("Why should we allow CCW? We'll STILL be boycotted?")
    4) If they continue to be punished, wouldn't this provide an incentive NOT to oppose 2A rights? ("Don't donate to anti-2A causes! We'll be boycotted FOREVER and EVER!")

    After weighing all the options for and against patronizing businesses that change their stance... I don't think option #2 makes much sense. A business that oppresses 2A rights on principal isn't worried about gaining our business LATER, so why would they "think ahead" that far?

    To me, options #1 and #3 make the greatest argument FOR starting to patronize a business that reverses its former anti-2A policy. This is why I personally choose to shop at Schnucks. (However infrequently I'm 1) close enough to one, and 2) actually need something while being close to one.)

    However, I believe option #4 also has merit. I'm a grudge holding S.O.B. Don't think for one minute that when I walk in the front door of a Schnucks, I'm not fully aware of the knife they stuck in free citizen's backs. Therefore, if you choose NOT to reward Schnucks for changing their policy, I have no problem with that choice, whatsoever.

    I just think, for pro-2A causes, providing an incentive for OTHER businesses to change their policy, as well, is a smart choice. It doesn't feel good. But I'm personally choosing to "think with my head, not with my heart" in this instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superlite27 View Post
    To me, options #1 and #3 make the greatest argument FOR starting to patronize a business that reverses its former anti-2A policy. This is why I personally choose to shop at Schnucks. (However infrequently I'm 1) close enough to one, and 2) actually need something while being close to one.)
    You forgot an option.

    10. Other companies see them reverse their position and note that the boycott lost them enough money for them to do so since in no way what so ever has Smucks recanted their position. They said they were pulling the signs in hopes of regaining the people who may have intentionally not shopped with them due to the signs.

    They did not say they are no longer anti-gun, they did not pledge not to give anti-gun causes money and they did not recant their reason which was "We at Schnucks are doing what is best for our customers" in other words, they made it clear you are not capable of making your own decisions and since you might make the wrong one, they are choosing to eliminate your choices.

    When Smucks donates 125k to the NRA/SAF/GOA I will shop with them again. In other words when they pay for their mistake with five times the intensity that they made it, they have made their amends, that's my position.
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    Thumbs up It's good to remember... it helps make us human

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    It might annoy some here, but I still shop at Schnucks. Me ( one person ) doing or not business with them isn't going to effect them one way or the other. Just my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony4310 View Post
    It might annoy some here, but I still shop at Schnucks. Me ( one person ) doing or not business with them isn't going to effect them one way or the other. Just my thoughts.
    No one drop of water thinks itself responsible for the flood.

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    Whether or not to solicit businesses that gave money to fight CCW, but do not ban CCW in their locations is an interesting question. What I think would be fair would be if they gave the same amount of money to a pro-2A group as they did to an anti-2A group. That would make me happy. Short of that, I'm not interesting in soliciting their business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony4310 View Post
    It might annoy some here, but I still shop at Schnucks. Me ( one person ) doing or not business with them isn't going to effect them one way or the other. Just my thoughts.
    You might not matter. But what about the other ten thousand (random number here) people thinking like you? Individually each of them don't matter either. But as a collective you matter greatly. To shop there or not is your choice, but to think that you don't matter is a failure on your part to look beyond yourself and at the whole picture.

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    I also know many of the workers at the one by me and I went to school with them and many themselves did not support the ban. Now at other stores I can not speak, but the one by me actually was never posted any where.

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    If a company EVER opposed 2A in ANY way, they will NEVER get my business and will hear about it from me. Thanks for this list, I contact every company I come into contact with that has anti-2A policies.

    If they ever make a solid public reversal that is MORE than the equivalent of the original position, I will reconsider. There is NO good excuse for an "American" company to ever oppose my rights. I consider them "enemies domestic" until proven otherwise.

    MONEY is spent when someone is serious. A sign on the door might be an accident but donating money means business. Screw them.
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