OC may have prevented a crime/LEO encounter (PA)

HandyHamlet said:

Oops. I forget the world does not always revolve around me. Except in the Colorado Forum.

On a side note, I once almost had a girlfriend at Gen Con when it was back in Milwaukee. By girlfriend I mean I think it was a girl I saw by the artist's both who did the drawings for Steve Jackson's Micro games. It was hard to tell by her glasses, the cheese puff powder wiped down the front of her oversized fatigue jacket, and her cute mustache. To this day I regret I could not summon the courage to engage her either in conversation or D20x2 combat.

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Gumby walked up to the cashier and said to the clerk, “This is a robbery,” San Diego police Detective Gary Hassen said. The clerk thought it was a joke and told Gumby that he had to go back to cleaning.

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protias said:

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Brass Magnet said:

But what's proper etiquette? Do I blame HH for talking about Gencon, inducing me to let my nerd out of the closet? Do I post an apology for going off topic, driving the thread further off topic, or do I dismiss the possibility of apology and risk looking like I felt entitled to post off-topic remarks? This is all so nerve racking!


Sorry about that. Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...........:lol:

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protias said:

The only instance where an OCer was targeted was last year when someone in Milwaukee was robbed of his firearm, and he had to help the thug remove it. So 1 in <who knows how many people OC>? That is such a small margin, it is zero.

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[The clerk] called the police and ten minutes later they arrived. I was standing outside with [him].
Officer 1: That's going to stay in its holster, right?
Me: It typically does unless I tell it otherwise.
Officer 2: Ok no problem, you're not gonna see any Canton PD [feces] out of us.
Me: It's nice to see that some of the good guys really ARE good guys.

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Trip20 said:

From a basic tactics standpoint one must take out armed resistance before unarmed resistance. The potential is there for an OC'er to be targeted first.
...please include in your response how you would choose to ignore an armed individual if you were the perpetrator of said crime

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Brass Magnet said:

He's just saying that if someone was absolutely determined to rob a certain place, no matter what, the OC'er would be targeted first.

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MKEgal said:

... we've all had people not notice our tools.

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hermannr said:

Trip: Consider this:

#1: OH does not recognize a PA permit> That is making the assumption that the PA resident had a permit at all, this is not stated.

#2: OH is a traditional OC state. It is legal for a non-resident, without an OH permit, to OC. This is probably one reason the PA resident in this discussion was OC.

#3: IF, the PA resident had been concealed, the robbery probably would have proceded, and no doubt someone (maybe the store owner, and/or the PA resident) would have been hurt.

#4: The reason that LE carrys openly is a warning to anyone, that he could be in a big hurt if he breaks the law. Crininals do not care about law, they care about force that can be used against them. If you want OC targets, go look for how many LEO's are targeted...if a person were willing to target a LEO, he sure isn't going to care about you, if you CC or if you OC. (as to your one example: Help the criminal get my weapon out of my holster? are you kidding?)

I have OC for over 40 years, I only CC in winter, and that is because I refuse to dress for the weapon. If I am wearing a coat, I am concealed, otherwise I OC. I "know" of at least one instance that my OC stopped something before it got totally out of control. It never left the holster, and the fight was over as soon as the combatants saw me. All involved all had something else to do very quickly. I think they thought I was a cop.

I am an honest man, I have nothing to hide, not even my weapon. Are you ashamed of yours and that is why you think CC is so much better?

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Trip20 said:

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Trip20 said:

Grilled Cheese Bacon Cheeseburger: A traditional bacon cheeseburger but instead of buns, it's capped on both ends by two bacon stuffed grilled cheese sandwiches. The meet/cheese/sourdough factor was too delicious to ruin with condiments. Give it a try!


Paired with homemade french onion fresh from the broiler:

Cheers!

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Trip20 said:

I'm sorry to say most if not all of your post is irrelevant due to your misinterpretations of my comments, beliefs and intentions to a degree that I don't know where to begin in response. This is extremely evident by the innuendos in your last two sentences.

On a lighter note, and seeing that cheeseburgers are so popular here, I thought I'd post supper from this evening.

Grilled Cheese Bacon Cheeseburger: A traditional bacon cheeseburger but instead of buns, it's capped on both ends by two bacon stuffed grilled cheese sandwiches. The meet/cheese/sourdough factor was too delicious to ruin with condiments. Give it a try!

The autopsy shot:

Paired with homemade french onion fresh from the broiler:

Cheers!

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Trip20 said:

Hey how's it goin?

This shouldn't explode in to anything at all. If it does I'll just bow out before it gets that bad. I don't need to prove a point I'm just talking with people.

I'm just trying to be honest here and say, hey yes I agree but lets be real and say we'd all kill the armed guy first so it's not a stretch for someone to give pause and consider that being openly armed could make them a target. That's not the same as saying it always happens that way and it's a bad idea to OC because of it. This is what OC'ers usually hear from the CC crowd and I'm not from that camp. But for some reason I'm getting the same responses.

When I ask myself these two questions I don't know why most criminals wouldn't give the same response:

Question 1: When you go to perform this armed robbery are you going to enter the building with the firearm drawn or concealed.
My Answer: I will enter with it concealed because it gives me the tactical advantage of surprising my targets.

Question 2: If you see someone who is armed and you've decided to commit this crime regardless, will you shoot the armed persons first or the unarmed persons first?
My Answer: Anyone with a firearm visible will be shot as I have to assume they will intervene and try to stop me from obtaining my goal.

Not to Handy specifically, but anyone that doesn't like my opinion, ask yourself this: If an armed robber came in to a Kwik Trip while you were there OC'ing but did not notice at first... wouldn't you if possible turn your strong-side away from the BG to not draw his/her ire (i.e., conceal your firearm for tactical advantage)? I would.

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