robdoar
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When you raise your voice, no-one wins.
When you raise your voice, no-one wins.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/embed/UqpjWnQjC5s[/video]
When you raise your voice, no-one wins.
is an absolute pr**k. He is the one that caused the whole uproar and he consistently demonstrated an aggressive attitude and was very abrasive. When he decided that he was the one who could determine who could speak and who could not he approached the other man's wife in a threatening manner. That's when the gun owner warned him not to approach her and stepped between them. Smart move. And the punk backed off. If I had been the manager of that store I would have called the sheriff and ordered the UofA punk to leave immediately.
It is true that there are enormous benefits to quiet civil deportment while carrying, but it is also true that there is a time to stand up to self righteous a$$es that think they are in charge of everybody's life and can with impunity "put others in their place". I am personally glad the gun owner stood up for himself and didn't let some a-hole run over him and his family. There comes a time when "winning the hearts and minds" of bystanders become secondary to preserving one's rights and freedoms and standing up for personal liberty.
If that had been me, I would have been the first one on the phone to the police asking for help and explaining that an aggressive man was threatening me and my family. That would have/could have been an important legal step in such a situation.
I probably shouldn't comment further. just my two cents worth,
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Alabama is a "one party consent" state with regards to recording. Also, recording in a public place where there is no expectation of privacy is completely legal. The LEO had no legal right to order you to turn off your camera....
I'm not sure what you're saying here ... the OCr was calmly working with the restaurant manager to resolve the situation, when the ex-police officer interjected himself into the conversation and created the scene. How would you have reacted?
When you raise your voice, no-one wins.
A correct response to Mr. Ex Cop would have been:
"Sir, you're misinformed. I apologize that exercising my rights causes you to feel uncomfortable, but they are my rights none the less. The manager and I have an agreement, and this is not your concern. If you want more info on lawful open carry in Alabama, I'd be happy to inform you of the pertinent statutes, but I will not engage in an argument."
When someone produces video showing that this actually works to placate some crazy stranger who has no quams about verbally assaulting an armed citizen I'll host a parade.
You can't win an argument with a "f**ktard". You can only take the higher ground. State your case calmly, or ignore him. No good can come of a heated argument.
You can't win an argument with a "f**ktard". You can only take the higher ground. State your case calmly, or ignore him. No good can come of a heated argument.
You can't win an argument with a "f**ktard". You can only take the higher ground. State your case calmly, or ignore him. No good can come of a heated argument.
I saw a lot happening in this video and nearly none of it was good. The only one who seemed to act rationally was the manager. If you are asked to either leave your firearm in your car or leave the premises, well then you've got a decision to take. The property rights of the owner or manager trump your right to carry a firearm when on his property. It's really as simple as that.
The carrier should have quietly and respectfully appealed to the manager first and then if the manager was steadfast, go ahead and take one of the decisions mentioned in the above paragraph. Again, doing so quietly and respectfully. As for the fellow who interjected himself into the fray, just ignore him. He is of no consequence and therefore deserves no response or consideration returned by the carrier. Both screwed up in my opinion.
An then there is the responding officer. He would not have been there, most likely, had the carrier done what I just described. So the carrier and his family could have moved off to another restaurant and had their meal the way they wished and all would have been well.
In my mind this whole episode was unnecessary, you cannot argue with moronic idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!