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    ALERT!!! BOYCOTT WALGREENS - and write them to tell them you are done as a customer!

    consumerrelations.bb@walgreens.com COPIED ARTICLE - MODERATOR PLS remove Ad -tried but unable-
    Hero Gets Fired for Using a Gun to Stop Robberyby John R. Lott, Jr. The police described it as an armed robbery and a hostage situation. Before dawn on Sunday, May, 8th, two robbers stormed into a Walgreens store wearing masks and gloves and carrying guns. Video cameras in the store on Napier Avenue in Benton Township, Michigan captured the whole event. Fortunately, though, Jeremy Hoven, a pharmacist and one of the employees in the store, had a permitted concealed handgun with him. Unfortunately, Walgreens fired Hoven for having a gun at work.
    Police Lt. Delmar Lange thought that Hoven had done the right thing firing shots and forcing the robbers to flee. “[Hoven] could see the hostage situation developing. He could not retreat any farther. He was in the back room. If it was me, I would have done the same thing,” Lange told the Detroit Free-Press. Lange thought that the video cameras clearly showed that Hoven had no alternative. The robbers were “very aggressive and very dangerous in what they did and how they did it.”
    At least one of the three other workers in the store was also convinced that Hoven did the right thing, sending Hoven a thank-you card with a photograph of his four children.
    Other evidence also suggests that Hoven did “the right thing.” The National Crime Victimization Survey shows that defending oneself with a gun is by far the safest course of action when one is confronted by a robber. For example, people who protect themselves with a gun are injured in robberies about 8 percent of the time, but those who behave passively are injured by the criminals 24 percent of the time, a three times higher rate.

    Police have yet to catch the two robbers, but they believe that one of them was wounded by Hoven. Hopefully, the robber will be arrested when he shows up at a hospital for medical treatment.
    Hoven started working at Walgreens in 2006 and became the night shift pharmacist at the Napier Avenue store in 2007. The store was robbed by four men, one carrying a gun, in December 2007. Despite numerous requests for improved security by the store’s workers, Walgreens did change anything. Out of concern for his safety, Hoven got his concealed handgun permit in November 2008 Some states let employees keep guns locked in their cars in company parking lots (Indiana has NO such RULE!). But simply letting Hoven keep his gun in his car obviously wouldn’t have let him get to it in time. Hoven fired his gun only after one of the robbers jumped over the counter and confronted Hoven. The robber was only a few feet from Hoven.
    Those interested in letting Walgreens know that they were wrong to fire Hoven can email the company at: consumerrelations.bb@walgreens.com
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    While I may disagree 100%, he violated company policy and Walgreens was well within their rights to terminate him. 99% of businesses prohibit their employers from carrying. We can't boycott them all. Does what Walgreens did suck? Absolutely. However private property owners can restrict carry however they wish. I have OCed in Walgreens numerous times without incident. I applaud him for taking action but he was aware of the possible consequences of his action.
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    well,,,

    I applaud him for taking action but he was aware of the possible consequences of his action.

    I applaud him for taking action BECAUSE he was aware of the PROBABLE CONSEQUENCES OF INACTION!

    Private businesses of Public accommodation should not be able to restrict the right of ANYONE to ARMED self defense,,, EVER!!!

    Not only do I see this as a constitutional right, but as a Moral right!
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    1245A Defender nailed it! Personally I don't care about businesses rights to restrict. Once you open the doors to the public you are a public place. Boycotting and Emailing Walgreens is meant to send a message - we will not let you tell us we can't defend ourselves! I can see a private household having the right to restrict, but not a business! Do you think it was wrong for the State of Utah telling PRIVATE universities who's doors are open to the public, that they could NOT restrict carry? Can a moderator please edit the OP and remove the embedded AD only... Thanks
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    Being a Pharmacist has become a very dangerous job. There are more and more cases of violent robberies at drug stores in which drugs are stolen and unarmed Parmacists being shot and or killed during those robberies. I applaud what he did. Shame on Walgreens. I guess they think it would have been better if the Pharmacist and Pharmacy technicians were killed than to face any cicil lawsuit that my have arisen if the perp were shot.
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    Mr. Hoven followed the saying "It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." to the letter here. We all know that there are possible consequences for breaking the rules and he took the risk of having to face those consequences. Does that make firing him right or justified? No. Does it suprise me? No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    We can't boycott them all.
    Yes, heaven forbid we should inconvenience ourselves just to stand up for our rights. </sarcasm>

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    Quote Originally Posted by vermonter View Post
    1245A Defender nailed it! Personally I don't care about businesses rights to restrict. Once you open the doors to the public you are a public place. Boycotting and Emailing Walgreens is meant to send a message - we will not let you tell us we can't defend ourselves! I can see a private household having the right to restrict, but not a business! Do you think it was wrong for the State of Utah telling PRIVATE universities who's doors are open to the public, that they could NOT restrict carry? Can a moderator please edit the OP and remove the embedded AD only... Thanks
    Walgreens has not told you, the public, that you cannot have a gun in the store. They have told their own employees that. Right or wrong, that is their option. They are well within their rights to have a no-carry policy for employees, and to terminate him for violating that policy. No different than if they had a no smoking policy and fired him for smoking.

    That said, he absolutely did the right thing, and I would certainly do it as well. Even more so because he KNEW he would get fired yet he still drew down and defended himself and others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killercamaro View Post
    Walgreens has not told you, the public, that you cannot have a gun in the store. They have told their own employees that. Right or wrong, that is their option. They are well within their rights to have a no-carry policy for employees, and to terminate him for violating that policy. No different than if they had a no smoking policy and fired him for smoking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpyne View Post
    Yes, heaven forbid we should inconvenience ourselves just to stand up for our rights. </sarcasm>
    While I note your sarcasm, my point is that you can't boycott every store that has fired someone for violating a policy. 95% of stores prohibit their employees from having weapons. Do I agree with that? Nope, but that is their right to exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killercamaro View Post
    Walgreens has not told you, the public, that you cannot have a gun in the store. They have told their own employees that. Right or wrong, that is their option. They are well within their rights to have a no-carry policy for employees, and to terminate him for violating that policy. No different than if they had a no smoking policy and fired him for smoking.

    That said, he absolutely did the right thing, and I would certainly do it as well. Even more so because he KNEW he would get fired yet he still drew down and defended himself and others.
    In fact, my Walgreens store has a sign out front "Arm yourself for the ones you love". Granted, it's an advertisement for flu shots, but I like the sentiment nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    While I note your sarcasm, my point is that you can't boycott every store that has fired someone for violating a policy. 95% of stores prohibit their employees from having weapons. Do I agree with that? Nope, but that is their right to exercise.
    Well, actually, yes you (I) can ... and that is part of the point here ... if enough folks call in and tell them they are going to boycott the store because they won't allow their employees to be armed, then the corporate headquarters has a choice to make about their policy. Also, in a Right-to-work state (like Ok) there is no way for the state to insist on a policy change like the parking-lot legislation we had to pass to protect employees 2A rights. But, in non-right-to-work states, the unions should be able to generate the shift in corporate policy, but they probably will not as it seems the unions are still too far into the libtard zone of influence.

    Now, the other side of that coin is whether or not there are enough 2A supporters to make a difference at this time
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    While I may disagree 100%, he violated company policy and Walgreens was well within their rights to terminate him. 99% of businesses prohibit their employers from carrying. We can't boycott them all. Does what Walgreens did suck? Absolutely. However private property owners can restrict carry however they wish. I have OCed in Walgreens numerous times without incident. I applaud him for taking action but he was aware of the possible consequences of his action.
    I couldn't have written it better myself!

    It's still up to Walgreens to either enforce or overlook the employee rules violation given the nature of the circumstances. I'm sure obscenities are prohibited as well, but would Walgreens fire an employee who said a four-letter word during a hold-up?

    I don't think so!

    Neither should they fire the guy who saved the day.
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