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    Macomb Daily - Michigan man sues police for open carry harassment

    http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/...ewmode=default

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    "A Warren man who is an advocate for firearm “open carry” practices is suing the city and its police department, claiming officers violated his Second Amendment right to bear arms.

    Jeffery Haman, 54, seeks a $100,000 judgment and $500,000 in punitive or exemplary damages, as part of the lawsuit he filed recently in U.S. District Court.

    With a semi-automatic pistol holstered at his waist, Haman, a former firearms dealer, was walking home from a local drug store at 12 Mile and Hoover roads in August 2009 when a patrolman quickly drove up to him.

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    The Warren man is a member of the national Open Carry organization. He acknowledged that people who see him practicing his Second Amendment right ask him if he is carrying his gun legally. Haman said he explains the law in Michigan, provides a pamphlet and suggests they visit www.opencarry.org. He said people typically thank him for the explanation and admit they didn’t know the law."
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    gotta love how they cut out audio at the begining
    hope he wins the case, only way police will listen is if ya hit them in the pocketbook

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    Great another sticky.........I do hope he wins the case.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

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    I must wonder why Mike makes every posts of his here "Sticky". Especially when there is another thread already being actively discussed on the same topic!


    Haven't we enough stickies in this sub-forum?
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Wink This is a job for STUPOR DUCK!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    I must wonder why Mike makes every posts of his here "Sticky". Especially when there is another thread already being actively discussed on the same topic!


    Haven't we enough stickies in this sub-forum?
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    This is a great idea making this a sticky right on the very top of the forum for quick and easy reading.

    Substituting "jack booted thugs" for "troops" in the quote results in the same message being conveyed to the citizenry.
    Last edited by 1ADAM12; 09-12-2011 at 09:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    I must wonder why Mike makes every posts of his here "Sticky". Especially when there is another thread already being actively discussed on the same topic!


    Haven't we enough stickies in this sub-forum?
    He does that in the Iowa sub as well... Every man has his fetish... Mikes just happens to be stickies!! (JK Mike. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1ADAM12 View Post
    This is a great idea making this a sticky right on the very top of the forum for quick and easy reading.

    Substituting "jack booted thugs" for "troops" in the quote results in the same message being conveyed to the citizenry.
    Wonder if the chief falls asleep every night with visions of swastika's dancing in his head?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1LFW...eature=related
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenkaiWulf View Post
    gotta love how they cut out audio at the begining
    hope he wins the case, only way police will listen is if ya hit them in the pocketbook
    This is true, however in this case prison time would be more appropriate, as that is a more traditional penalty for feloniously assaulting someone.


    Last edited by Michigander; 09-12-2011 at 10:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    This is true, however in this case prison time would be more appropriate, as that is a more traditional penalty for feloniously assaulting someone.


    That picture is one more piece of evidence that Warren is a first-world city run by third-world dictators.

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    Any update on this suit?

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    Went to scheduling today.Judge set schedule,recommends quick settlement.Judge understands and is on top of it.Good for US! CARRY ON!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamaneggs View Post
    Went to scheduling today.Judge set schedule,recommends quick settlement.Judge understands and is on top of it.Good for US! CARRY ON!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamaneggs View Post
    Judge set schedule,recommends quick settlement.
    Well, I hope the judge gets what he/she wants, but the settlement must involve more than money. No substantial and real training or policy reforms by Warren PD is not acceptable. I believe everyone who donated for this legal action would agree their donation was for "change we can believe in!"

    Agreed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    Well, I hope the judge gets what he/she wants, but the settlement must involve more than money. No substantial and real training or policy reforms by Warren PD is not acceptable. I believe everyone who donated for this legal action would agree their donation was for "change we can believe in!"

    Agreed?
    absolutely, pay out is not enough, Warren has got to take responsibility for its violation of, in this case, Jeff's rights that were violated.

    I hope a couple things

    (1) they pay out the nose
    (2) forced retraining of not only the "troops" as the chief call them, but as him as well
    (3) the settlement does not come with a "hush" clause that requires the plaintiff to shut up afterwards
    (3) a public apology from the police department of warren

    it would be great to know that if another OCer walks down the streets of warren, these 4 cops wont jump them and point a gun at them for exercising a LEGAL activity
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    i strongly agree with dan and onnie. if your case is strong it needs to go all the way. no settlement! demand a judgement!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post
    i strongly agree with dan and onnie. If your case is strong it needs to go all the way. No settlement! Demand a judgement!
    amen!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onnie View Post
    absolutely, pay out is not enough, Warren has got to take responsibility for its violation of, in this case, Jeff's rights that were violated.

    I hope a couple things

    (1) they pay out the nose
    (2) forced retraining of not only the "troops" as the chief call them, but as him as well
    (3) the settlement does not come with a "hush" clause that requires the plaintiff to shut up afterwards
    (3) a public apology from the police department of warren

    it would be great to know that if another OCer walks down the streets of warren, these 4 cops wont jump them and point a gun at them for exercising a LEGAL activity


    that would be great..

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    Going all the way costs $$$$$$
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Going all the way costs $$$$$$
    it also reaps $$$$$$ and no confidentiality agreement
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Going all the way costs $$$$$$
    A mere money settlement and confidentiality agreement would be unacceptable.

    That's not what we donated for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    A mere money settlement and confidentiality agreement would be unacceptable.

    That's not what we donated for.
    Did you put that stipulation in the comments box of your donation?

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    I didn't know we could make demands if we donated.

    In that case, I would like a Bic Mac Value Meal if he settles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    A mere money settlement and confidentiality agreement would be unacceptable.

    That's not what we donated for.
    If you are expecting something in return, that, sir, is a purchase.

    A donation is just that, a donation. It was made with the belief that, if Jeff wins, it is good for all of us. And this is true. But making statements such as yours is in poor taste, IMO

    ETA: For the record though, while perhaps not 'ideal', a cash settlement, for enough money, would still be a positive win for everyone, as it would still make WPD think before they act. A pocketbook is a powerful thing.
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    I did not donate to this, BUT, if this goes down with a confidentiality, then I NEVER WILL for any future endeavours.

    Settlement with confidentiality = greed

    Now, go ahead & flame on....
    'If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self defense. There should be no camouflage.....it must never be secret.' MK Gandhi II-146 (Gandhi on Non-Violence)-- Gandhi supports open carry!

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