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OT: First Ammendment being trampled in Michigan - SB 637

Venator

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And yet the author of the pledge (a devout socialist) had quite a different "idea" of the nation than what the ff's (not a unified ideological body themselves) wrote in the US Constitution. The current perverted direction of the nation is exactly what Mr. Francis Bellamy, the author, had in mind. The pledge is socialist propaganda designed to sway thought away from the individual and towared support of the collective. By supporting the pledge, you are actually supporting Mr. Bellamy and the perverted direction the country has gone, are you not?

And apparently wrote to promote their selling of US flags to all the schools in the country. So in essence an ad campaign.
 

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You are not pledging allegiance to the government, Bush, Obama, Nixon or any of the other series of crooks who have held that office.

You are pledging allegiance to the flag and to the republic, the basic idea of our nation, for which it stands.

It is, of course, your right not to say it and I find it appalling that some politicians would force children to say it under threat of punishment.

Yes, the case law has been established that it is a violation of rights guaranteed by the First Amendment to force the Pledge.

All of that said, I have absolutely no respect for the cult behind the case law.
I do not see any facts supporting force or punishment.Without force or punishment it's a non issue.I'm sure of the fact that when I recited the pledge in school it gave me a lifelong Love of my nation that I continue to embrace.There was no force or punishment in the early 60's when I was in grade school.We need to teach our kids when they're young to respect our nations ideals instead of the liberal,PC crap they've been given the last several decades.We've been reaping what has been sowed in those lost decades,and it's showing! I PLEDGE ALLEGENCE TO MY FLAG AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA STILL! AMEN! CARRY ON!
 

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no, in no way am i supporting mr. Bellamy or his ideals. He may have written the pledge, but i do not see his misguided ideas in it.

Gentle people, understand that i, like so many others, wrote a blank check to this nation a long time ago. That check, unlike the checks of so many of my brothers and sisters, was never cashed. The check started with an oath that i swore to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. It finished with these words:

"i am an american soldier. I serve in the forces which guard our country and our way of life. i am prepared to give my life in their defense."

no, our nation is not all that it can be. There are too many greedy, or even evil, politicians, and those who support them, who would, truth be known, be much happier were all of us under the unbearable yoke of slavery. It is up to each and every one of us who calls himself/herself "american" to make sure that yoke does not descend upon our necks.

I do not know whether any of you here have thought of it in this way, but what we do here on ocdo and in our various states' organizations is going a long, long way to keep our nation the most free nation on the planet. It eats into the very souls of people like george soros, michael bloomberg, the entire brady bunch, and all of their fellow travelers that they cannot remove that one very important symbol of our freedoms; the right to own and carry a firearm.

May almighty god grant in his infinite wisdom that it may ever be so!!!
i agree wholeheartily! Amen! Carry on!
 

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I PLEDGE ALLEGENCE TO MY FLAG AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA STILL! AMEN! CARRY ON!

...and that's a personal choice. I pledge allegiance to my family -- to do what I can to make sure THEY are taken care of, DESPITE what "my" COUNTRY does to my paycheck.
 

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...and that's a personal choice. I pledge allegiance to my family -- to do what I can to make sure THEY are taken care of, DESPITE what "my" COUNTRY does to my paycheck.
Was it your personal choice for your parents to teach you right from wrong?
 

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I fail to see how that is related to my choice to say the pledge or not.
Adults teach kids through repetition.Repeat after me,my country is the best,I will not touch the burner on the stove,as opposed to my country is evil,capitolism is bad.
 
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