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    First a Headline announcing record Gun Purchases then one announcing Crime Drop

    "Violent Crime Drops 12% in US in 2010"

    http://heraldnet.com/article/20110916/NEWS02/110919799


    Apparently there were a lot of people that were afraid that with all these guns there would be blood in the streets. Criminals evidently got the message it could be theirs.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    I missed the record gun purchase article. Do you have a link for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobbles View Post
    I missed the record gun purchase article. Do you have a link for it?
    Lots of stories out there about it. Here is one from right after the election.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27598947...oom-gun-sales/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobbles View Post
    I missed the record gun purchase article. Do you have a link for it?
    There have been so many over the last year or so, both on gun purchases and Concealed Permits, I didn't think it was necessary. I just tossed that in as a prelude to the "Crime Down" story.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Last edited by amzbrady; 09-17-2011 at 01:13 PM.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
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    I am glad to see the overall drop in crime rate in 2010.
    There has been a crime increase here in Yakima, especially here in the last few weeks, several shootings from driveby's to someone walking by from children to adults from gang involvement to drugs to strong arm robberies and burglaries and I wonder if this is not the result or partial do to the economy and the struggles of many.

    It is clear though to me anyways, the increased importance for the law abiding to be armed and the ability to protect oneself.
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    David,
    You may very well be right........but my personal opinion is that Yakima still is, as it has been in the past, one of the prime drug distribution points from our friends on our southern border.
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    Recently there has been large marijuana grow operations busted as well and just a couple of nights ago one shot another because he was ripped off for $40 pot buy that he did not get, oh but that stuff is a victimless crime, so it must have been something else.

    Marijuana dispute led to Wednesday shooting, police say
    by Chris Bristol
    Yakima Herald-Republic
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Recently there has been large marijuana grow operations busted as well and just a couple of nights ago one shot another because he was ripped off for $40 pot buy that he did not get, oh but that stuff is a victimless crime, so it must have been something else.

    Marijuana dispute led to Wednesday shooting, police say
    by Chris Bristol
    Yakima Herald-Republic
    So, theft is a victimless crime? Does anyone really think that someone would buy a $40 option to buy marijuana?

    "Money disputes can often lead to violence, but it's rare that someone dies over $20."
    Woman Stabbed Over $20, Fight On Facebook
    "The two women were arguing over a $20 debt, when things got out of hand, reported the Post."
    No report of marijuana there. Are you going to denigrate something like usury now? Lending in general?

    Tell me something about Washington, BigDave. I read that "All political power is inherent in the people, and governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights." Wa. Const. art. I, 1, and that "The provisions of this Constitution are mandatory, unless by express words they are declared to be otherwise." Wa. Const. art. I, 29. I don't see any way to give effect to 1 under 29 unless it is to be that every law is established to protect and maintain individual rights. Could we agree that the acquisition, possession, and disposition of property are individual rights? Something purporting to be law that quite facially infringes on such individual rights would have to have a pretty good excuse to actually be law, then, right? Can you come up with such an excuse for any law that infringes on the acquisition, possession, and disposition of marijuana? So is, then, such a law not constitutional? Is then such a law not void?

    What we might learn from this is that people have violent disputes over all sorts of things, lawful or otherwise, all of the time. And it turns out that sometimes the biggest cause of the danger, and the biggest danger to us, is not two people who might dispute, but our government. The same injury is done to us whether the unlawful burden is the regulation of acquisition, possession, and disposition of marijuana or the acquisition, possession, and disposition of firearms. We can fully expect a government willing to infringe on one individual right to usurp the next.

    I also don't think we can have an obsession for statistics related to violent crime while obstructing markets, creating scarcity where there is demand.

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    SNBQ there are many silly reasons as to why some do what they do and my point was that some think marijuana is a victimless crime and it clearly is not.
    Like it or not Federal Law still prohibits possession of marijuana even though the State allows for medical purposes which in this particular case I do not think that was the issue.
    Why there are many laws on the books that many see has being harmful or could be better and we work to improve or correct them it is just an issue of life dealing with others.

    The main topic if the thread has to do with increased gun purchases and decreased crime, being the opposite the nay sayers were going to happen in 2010.
    Times are changing as we know and crime will vary in different localities as well, Yakima has been an exception to the rule here lately but I feel greatly do to two issues, the illegal immigrations migration to the area and the economy down turn which as we all know have put many out of work and on hard times, cut backs on assistance and gang fighting albeit for many reasons.

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