MilitaryMike
Regular Member
Here are my notes. I think it will be more benefit airing my laundry here. Tigerlilly, please take note of the last note!
8 Sep 11
- Had 2 beers with Jesus and Dan in Dan's Garage. Jesus is his neighbor, I live across street.
- Suspicious vehicle drove up and driver (Robby) approached Jesus truck (2130hrs). They were approached and questioned.
- After talking it over and getting business card (Name on card David), leaving voice mail with HOA (they were sent by HOA), Robby left.
-Left voicemail for Stacy at HOA. They state they were sent by Cindy/Carroll.
-Nothing in HOA laws about un licensed vehicles in Driveways
- Truck comes back by and we wave. (to show friendliness and no hard feelings)
- They stopped; We talked, let them know that there were no hard feelings, got more info about why they were here, and they left (approx 2200hrs)
- 2300hrs cops arrive at door and ring bell and knock loudly.
- Armed up, and saw police through peep hole
- Holstered and answered door.
- Talked with cop about incident (Officer Acher). Told I should have disarmed and "done something with" weapon before answering. I stated I had nothing to hide and felt if I did I would be leading the cops to believe I was being dishonest had I “hid the weapon”, and that I was being honest and respectful. I was then told that if I respected his job, I would have not answering the door with a gun. When then chastised “if I walked up to Creech drunk and pulled a gun at the gate would you like it”.. Officer was very condescending and sarcastic. He asked me if I open carried often and I told him it was situation dependent but on my own property I always open carried. Had a second cop with riffle pointed at me the entire time from front of my house. During the mean time I was asked for my blue card and ID (provided both -driver’s license for ID). I felt as if I shouldn't reach for my ID with the gun on my hip, but was ordered to do so anyway.
- Gave Officer Archer permission to disarm me. Officer Archer stated if he was threatened he would "outshoot me" and "I would be disarmed already" when stating that I was keeping my hands where he could see them and that I was not going to harm them. Cop declined to disarm me after giving this cocky answer. Again, officer spoke in condescending and cocky manner. I was just trying to talk with the officer to establish that I was not doing anything wrong and on my won property. I was slightly nervous having a shotgun aimed at me.
- Asked to step outside. Gave police permission to disarm me for "both of our safety". This was done to stop weapons from being pointed at me.
- Asked to put on shoes, denied and told to walk across street. Dan is on sidewalk in underwear being interrogated about "guy in black shirt and blue jeans who 'pulled a gun'". This matched both of our descriptions.
-Robby reported “someone pulled a gun” This was me open carry. No weapon was every touched, or pulled.
- I asked to proceed to the other sidewalk (instead of standing in street where they stopped me). Permission granted.
- Interrogated by Officer Acher. When a police vehicle approached and I was asked what I saw. I stated a vehicle with 5 lights pointed at me. I feel this was done as a intimidation technique.
- Told to put hands at my side (currently on my head). I stated I had keys in my left pocket with a knife on them. Other officer removed it after light pat down of both front pockets.
- Hands now at side: Told to sit down since I am now in a "standoffish" stance by other officer. I clarified that they wanted me on the curb and sat. More badgering from the first cop. I tried to talk to him but was called a smart ass and threatened with jail. Asked where I work, unit, first sergeant, and commanders name. Was unable to recall CC name but thought it was Hanes (it was Hoehn). I stated I was new to the unit. Got a sarcastic smirk.. The officer might have thought I was lying.
- Told I was in possession of a firearm while "intoxicated". Officer stated the law (in reference to NRS 202.257) was that you could not use alcohol AT ALL while in possession of a weapon. I corrected him and stated it's 0.10 is the legal limit. He asked me how much “you want to bet”... recanted his statement and then asked how much I was willing to place on that statement and insinuated jail time. I stated “everything”. Told I would be arrested if I failed field sobriety. I consented to field sobriety, breathalyzer, and blood test.
- (2330 hrs) Released and handed ID's and keys. Officer Archer stated “That's fine, I'm sure I will be seeing you again”. No sobriety test done. Told my gun was "inside of my front door"
- Asked for specifics on gun location. Officer refused any more details. "it's just right inside." I posed questions such as "on the ledge?", "on the ground?". Told get get inside immediately.
- Went inside. Found gun on ground in rack cleared position with the clip and chambered round next to it.
- Dan released without further issues. His gun was fully disassembled..holster missing.
9 Sep 2011
Told by towing company manager that their policy is to report a MWAG call anytime they suspect someone has a firearm. Told to get my lawyer if I wanted to talk anymore and “good luck cause the owner is a lawyer and a judge downtown.”
11 Sept 2011
Notified that Officer Acher (cop that knocked on my door) is contacting my First Sergeant over my pending IA complaint against him. Considering second IA complaint for improper use of military contacts to persuade me not to pursue my case. Considering talking to lawyer if he contacts my first sergeant.
12 Sept 2011
Contacted lawyer. Told I didn't have enough damages to win in court..Would be thrown out. Told I was “well within my rights” and not to worry.
HOA called and left message stating they wanted to know what exactly happened since the Tow Truck Company's story did not "add up". I gave them (Cindy and Carroll) the run down and they stated they were going to talk to the owner and handle things. They were amped up at the end of the call.
17 Sept 2011
Spoke with Sergeant Ortiz with North Las Vegas Internal affairs. He stated he will train Officer Acher on proper procedures on handling persons with firearms and laws associated with such. Furthermore he stated insulting and “interrogating” people in common place to “break” a suspect. He then finished by stating that there is a group of Open carriers in Vegas who try to push police by “walking up on them with a gun on their hip and a dog when they are interrogating a suspect in a school zone.” And that they make “Officers feel unsafe/have a right to defend themselves”. It then occurred to me the reason why Officer Archer asked me if I “open carry often” was to see if I was associated with this group, and made his final statement “I'm sure I will be seeing you again” was because he had assumed I was a member.
8 Sep 11
- Had 2 beers with Jesus and Dan in Dan's Garage. Jesus is his neighbor, I live across street.
- Suspicious vehicle drove up and driver (Robby) approached Jesus truck (2130hrs). They were approached and questioned.
- After talking it over and getting business card (Name on card David), leaving voice mail with HOA (they were sent by HOA), Robby left.
-Left voicemail for Stacy at HOA. They state they were sent by Cindy/Carroll.
-Nothing in HOA laws about un licensed vehicles in Driveways
- Truck comes back by and we wave. (to show friendliness and no hard feelings)
- They stopped; We talked, let them know that there were no hard feelings, got more info about why they were here, and they left (approx 2200hrs)
- 2300hrs cops arrive at door and ring bell and knock loudly.
- Armed up, and saw police through peep hole
- Holstered and answered door.
- Talked with cop about incident (Officer Acher). Told I should have disarmed and "done something with" weapon before answering. I stated I had nothing to hide and felt if I did I would be leading the cops to believe I was being dishonest had I “hid the weapon”, and that I was being honest and respectful. I was then told that if I respected his job, I would have not answering the door with a gun. When then chastised “if I walked up to Creech drunk and pulled a gun at the gate would you like it”.. Officer was very condescending and sarcastic. He asked me if I open carried often and I told him it was situation dependent but on my own property I always open carried. Had a second cop with riffle pointed at me the entire time from front of my house. During the mean time I was asked for my blue card and ID (provided both -driver’s license for ID). I felt as if I shouldn't reach for my ID with the gun on my hip, but was ordered to do so anyway.
- Gave Officer Archer permission to disarm me. Officer Archer stated if he was threatened he would "outshoot me" and "I would be disarmed already" when stating that I was keeping my hands where he could see them and that I was not going to harm them. Cop declined to disarm me after giving this cocky answer. Again, officer spoke in condescending and cocky manner. I was just trying to talk with the officer to establish that I was not doing anything wrong and on my won property. I was slightly nervous having a shotgun aimed at me.
- Asked to step outside. Gave police permission to disarm me for "both of our safety". This was done to stop weapons from being pointed at me.
- Asked to put on shoes, denied and told to walk across street. Dan is on sidewalk in underwear being interrogated about "guy in black shirt and blue jeans who 'pulled a gun'". This matched both of our descriptions.
-Robby reported “someone pulled a gun” This was me open carry. No weapon was every touched, or pulled.
- I asked to proceed to the other sidewalk (instead of standing in street where they stopped me). Permission granted.
- Interrogated by Officer Acher. When a police vehicle approached and I was asked what I saw. I stated a vehicle with 5 lights pointed at me. I feel this was done as a intimidation technique.
- Told to put hands at my side (currently on my head). I stated I had keys in my left pocket with a knife on them. Other officer removed it after light pat down of both front pockets.
- Hands now at side: Told to sit down since I am now in a "standoffish" stance by other officer. I clarified that they wanted me on the curb and sat. More badgering from the first cop. I tried to talk to him but was called a smart ass and threatened with jail. Asked where I work, unit, first sergeant, and commanders name. Was unable to recall CC name but thought it was Hanes (it was Hoehn). I stated I was new to the unit. Got a sarcastic smirk.. The officer might have thought I was lying.
- Told I was in possession of a firearm while "intoxicated". Officer stated the law (in reference to NRS 202.257) was that you could not use alcohol AT ALL while in possession of a weapon. I corrected him and stated it's 0.10 is the legal limit. He asked me how much “you want to bet”... recanted his statement and then asked how much I was willing to place on that statement and insinuated jail time. I stated “everything”. Told I would be arrested if I failed field sobriety. I consented to field sobriety, breathalyzer, and blood test.
- (2330 hrs) Released and handed ID's and keys. Officer Archer stated “That's fine, I'm sure I will be seeing you again”. No sobriety test done. Told my gun was "inside of my front door"
- Asked for specifics on gun location. Officer refused any more details. "it's just right inside." I posed questions such as "on the ledge?", "on the ground?". Told get get inside immediately.
- Went inside. Found gun on ground in rack cleared position with the clip and chambered round next to it.
- Dan released without further issues. His gun was fully disassembled..holster missing.
9 Sep 2011
Told by towing company manager that their policy is to report a MWAG call anytime they suspect someone has a firearm. Told to get my lawyer if I wanted to talk anymore and “good luck cause the owner is a lawyer and a judge downtown.”
11 Sept 2011
Notified that Officer Acher (cop that knocked on my door) is contacting my First Sergeant over my pending IA complaint against him. Considering second IA complaint for improper use of military contacts to persuade me not to pursue my case. Considering talking to lawyer if he contacts my first sergeant.
12 Sept 2011
Contacted lawyer. Told I didn't have enough damages to win in court..Would be thrown out. Told I was “well within my rights” and not to worry.
HOA called and left message stating they wanted to know what exactly happened since the Tow Truck Company's story did not "add up". I gave them (Cindy and Carroll) the run down and they stated they were going to talk to the owner and handle things. They were amped up at the end of the call.
17 Sept 2011
Spoke with Sergeant Ortiz with North Las Vegas Internal affairs. He stated he will train Officer Acher on proper procedures on handling persons with firearms and laws associated with such. Furthermore he stated insulting and “interrogating” people in common place to “break” a suspect. He then finished by stating that there is a group of Open carriers in Vegas who try to push police by “walking up on them with a gun on their hip and a dog when they are interrogating a suspect in a school zone.” And that they make “Officers feel unsafe/have a right to defend themselves”. It then occurred to me the reason why Officer Archer asked me if I “open carry often” was to see if I was associated with this group, and made his final statement “I'm sure I will be seeing you again” was because he had assumed I was a member.