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    Great Britain to legalize use of deadly force in self-defense

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...15875-23430544

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    HOMEOWNERS who defend themselves and their property will get more protection under law, the Government recently pledged.

    Under existing laws, homeowners are allowed to use only “reasonable” force to tackle a burglar.

    Guidance issued by the Association of Chief Police Officers and the Crown Prosecution Service says: “The more extreme the circumstances and the fear felt, the more force you can lawfully use in self-defence. If the intruder dies, you will still have acted lawfully.”

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    PM David Cameron promised in June that the new Justice Bill would “put beyond doubt that homeowners and small shopkeepers who use reasonable force to defend themselves or their properties will not be prosecuted”.

    Justice Secretary Ken Clarke said it will “clarify” the existing law.

    He said: “We will make it clear you can hit a burglar with a poker. If an old lady finds she’s got an 18-year-old burgling her house and she picks up a kitchen knife and sticks it in him, she has not committed an offence, and we will make that clear.” . . .

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    Makes one really glad to be living in these United States....

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    Anthony Edward "Tony" Martin is a farmer from Norfolk, England, who in 1999 killed one burglar and wounded another who had both entered his home. He was convicted of murder, replaced with manslaughter on appeal...

    English law permits one person to kill another in self defence only if the person defending him or herself uses no more than "reasonable force"...

    The jury at the trial were told that they had the option of returning a verdict of manslaughter rather than murder, if they thought that Martin "did not intend to kill or cause serious bodily harm". However, the jurors found Martin guilty of murder by a 10 to 2 majority...

    He was sentenced to life in prison, the mandatory sentence for murder under English law...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29
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    How things have changed in the UK

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    HOMEOWNERS who defend themselves and their property will get more protection under law, the Government recently pledged.

    Under existing laws, homeowners are allowed to use only “reasonable” force to tackle a burglar.

    Guidance issued by the Association of Chief Police Officers and the Crown Prosecution Service says: “The more extreme the circumstances and the fear felt, the more force you can lawfully use in self-defence. If the intruder dies, you will still have acted lawfully.”

    . . .

    PM David Cameron promised in June that the new Justice Bill would “put beyond doubt that homeowners and small shopkeepers who use reasonable force to defend themselves or their properties will not be prosecuted”.

    Justice Secretary Ken Clarke said it will “clarify” the existing law.

    He said: “We will make it clear you can hit a burglar with a poker. If an old lady finds she’s got an 18-year-old burgling her house and she picks up a kitchen knife and sticks it in him, she has not committed an offence, and we will make that clear.” . . .
    When I was 16 (1968), a friend of mine gave me a little paperback entitled "Gil Paust's Gun Book." It had been published, I think, in 1958. It was an introductory book on firearms, with chapters on topics like gun safety, action types, choosing cartridges for hunting, etc. There was a chapter on self-defense. In it, he described "set guns." And he wrote that although they were illegal in the U.S, they were permitted in ENGLAND! My, how things have changed!

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    How veddy odd!!!

    What happened to "defense of habitation" defined in Semayne's Case, long about the mid-1700's? Virginia has preserved the English Common Law as it was in 1607, but I wonder whether the law of personal defense has been changed in England since that time by statute or royal edict?
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    "He said: “We will make it clear you can hit a burglar with a poker. If an old lady finds she’s got an 18-year-old burgling her house and she picks up a kitchen knife and sticks it in him, she has not committed an offence, and we will make that clear.” . . . "
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    Now all they need do is allow the general population to arm them selves with more than pokers and a kitchen knife.
    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    All well and good - it is about time - but what will they do about those that have been incarcerated under the existing draconian laws.
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