Why Liberals are against guns??

MR Redenck · Sep 21, 2011

mach1chris said:
Ok so what is you're party affiliation?

I have to vote republican. In Texas Politics, its the better way. National, well that pretty easy to figure out. For GOP, im voting Ron Paul the Libertarian for 2012.
I always look for Thomas Jefferson on the Ballot, but never find em. :lol:

mach1chris · Sep 21, 2011

MR Redenck said:
What conservatives? I have not found many in Politics. Do you seem to think its my fault Socialist call themselves liberal and democrats? Got news for ya, I find the same problem in the Republican party. Their called Rino's.
Im not big on labels. I look at history and voting habbits of politicians. When it comes to the general public, I listen to what people say. If I disagree, I make my opinion heard. If my opinion is not welcome, then I take it to those who share the same thoughts as I do. Sometimes, my opinion gets changed.
I wish you could have heard the conversation I had with a young liberal lawyer form Austin. This girl would make you sick!

I also look at the voting history and habbits of politicians. I just don't keep up with it like the majority of the people on this fourm, because of my constantly changing work schedule. I will have you know sir, that I speak to many different crazy and sick people on a daily basis.

MR Redenck · Sep 21, 2011

mach1chris said:
To bad your not from Florida, but because of these "Pro-Gun" conservatives we have in office here they could not find it in them to stop infringing on a right given to the citizens of this state by the 2amendment.... Open carry!
The only one that you can count on for sure to vote open carry is Senator Greg Evers and a democat Joseph Abruzzo.

Oh yea, you must not be aware of who was working open carry in Texas legislature this year. :lol:
Conservative Republican, yea right!!! :uhoh:
And yes, I have been to Fla., I lived in Clearmont back when Florida Was Open Carry.
So who started moving to florida and killed your open carry way back then????

mach1chris · Sep 21, 2011

MR Redenck said:
I have to vote republican. In Texas Politics, its the better way. National, well that pretty easy to figure out. For GOP, im voting Ron Paul the Libertarian for 2012.
I always look for Thomas Jefferson on the Ballot, but never find em. :lol:

Good luck on President Thomas Jefferson lol!!!... I was just about to say that Ron Paul is a Libertarian. Well it was because of these "Pro-Gun" republicans that we don't have open carry today in Florida.

MR Redenck · Sep 21, 2011

mach1chris said:
I also look at the voting history and habbits of politicians. I just don't keep up with it like the majority of the people on this fourm, because of my constantly changing work schedule. I will have you know sir, that I speak to many different crazy and sick people on a daily basis.

And you would agree that the worst of the people are those who complain, but fail to learn. People who make no effort to involve themself with their legislature are far worse than anyone else because they let themselves down and everyone else.
Those are my people. Those are the people im looking for. It is them that I can help to understand why were in this mess and convince them to Vote the mess out. I get people active who have never been active before.

mach1chris · Sep 21, 2011

MR Redenck said:
Oh yea, you must not be aware of who was working open carry in Texas legislature this year. :lol:
Conservative Republican, yea right!!! :uhoh:
And yes, I have been to Fla., I lived in Clearmont back when Florida Was Open Carry.
So who started moving to florida and killed your open carry way back then????

I don't mean to call you a old man, but that must have been before 1987 when open carry was banned. I have no idea who moved down here and killed it but they certainly did a good freaking job at doing it. All I know is I was born 1987 when open carry was banned, maybe It was me lolol!!!

mach1chris · Sep 21, 2011

MR Redenck said:
And you would agree that the worst of the people are those who complain, but fail to learn. People who make no effort to involve themself with their legislature are far worse than anyone else because they let themselves down and everyone else.
Those are my people. Those are the people im looking for. It is them that I can help to understand why were in this mess and convince them to Vote the mess out. I get people active who have never been active before.

I do agree that communitys need to be much more involved in voting, but I also think that people need to be a little more open minded before believeing these crazy assumptions made up by different people. A great example would be liberals, just because one has certain liberal beliefs that doesn't mean that they are anti-gun.

Venator · Sep 21, 2011

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Ma}{imus · Sep 21, 2011

mach1chris said:
I do agree that communitys need to be much more involved in voting, but I also think that people need to be a little more open minded before believeing these crazy assumptions made up by different people. A great example would be liberals, just because one has certain liberal beliefs that doesn't mean that they are anti-gun.

Which was my entire point. The biggest danger we face isn't some political ideology, it is the inaction of the people to assert their rights.

One last thought, I've never really considered myself a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, etc. (I was registered independent for years). I agree and disagree with aspects of all of them. First and foremost I'm a human being with fundamental rights. I'm also a proud American and have family members and friends who have suffered through war to ensure my rights are protected. The least I can do is remember that and exercise my rights and encourage others to do likewise.

MR Redenck · Sep 21, 2011

mach1chris said:
I do agree that communitys need to be much more involved in voting, but I also think that people need to be a little more open minded before believeing these crazy assumptions made up by different people. A great example would be liberals, just because one has certain liberal beliefs that doesn't mean that they are anti-gun.

Your almost there so allow me to complete the subject.
When picking your battles, position yourself to win.
Me working with people who you just cant reach is nothing more than a wast of time.
Spend your time working in areas you are most effective in and you will accomplish more. ME, "I cant stand conversing with Flaming Anti's". So I dont.
Im more effective by reaching out to those who have a newly found interest and those who could become interested. " Time well served"
So I guess what im saying is new support can grow faster than "converted" support.

And yea, looks like im a lot older than you. :lol: I actually left florida in 87 during that time. I was just a kid though. DEA, and drug task force was a big deal during that time. The war on drugs was new and Florida was a hot spot for smuggling. I got to witness first hand the growth of that effort.

mach1chris · Sep 22, 2011

MR Redenck said:
Your almost there so allow me to complete the subject.
When picking your battles, position yourself to win.
Me working with people who you just cant reach is nothing more than a wast of time.
Spend your time working in areas you are most effective in and you will accomplish more. ME, "I cant stand conversing with Flaming Anti's". So I dont.
Im more effective by reaching out to those who have a newly found interest and those who could become interested. " Time well served"
So I guess what im saying is new support can grow faster than "converted" support.

And yea, looks like im a lot older than you. :lol: I actually left florida in 87 during that time. I was just a kid though. DEA, and drug task force was a big deal during that time. The war on drugs was new and Florida was a hot spot for smuggling. I got to witness first hand the growth of that effort.

Yea, during those years drugs was a huge issue here in south Florida. Some say thats the whole reason why open carry was banned.

MR Redenck · Sep 22, 2011

mach1chris said:
Yea, during those years drugs was a huge issue here in south Florida. Some say thats the whole reason why open carry was banned.

From looking at your Avitar, you can probably agree when I say Drugs are a bigger issue today. Its become harder to prosecute, convict, and simply catch them. "The big fish have become organized".
So, If open carry in Florida was banned due to the war on drugs, then banning open carry did not help. Back then, Florida folks didnt even need a license to open carry. Addressing crime in relation to citizens carrying weapons for legal defense is a no win situation for us all.
" Those drug bad guy's carry all kinds of cool weapons, so why cant I"??? All I want to do is defend myself against them....
I dont care if your a Flaming Conservative "such as myself", moderate liberal " such as your are", Flaming liberal " such as Hillary Clinton", or anything else, all Im saying is weapons are a defense to crime... Everyone has a right to defend themself, just dont ask me my opinion to what extent.
I will also say that the best and most effective line of defensen to crime starts with the citizen.

mach1chris · Sep 22, 2011

MR Redenck said:
From looking at your Avitar, you can probably agree when I say Drugs are a bigger issue today. Its become harder to prosecute, convict, and simply catch them. "The big fish have become organized".
So, If open carry in Florida was banned due to the war on drugs, then banning open carry did not help. Back then, Florida folks didnt even need a license to open carry. Addressing crime in relation to citizens carrying weapons for legal defense is a no win situation for us all.
" Those drug bad guy's carry all kinds of cool weapons, so why cant I"??? All I want to do is defend myself against them....
I dont care if your a Flaming Conservative "such as myself", moderate liberal " such as your are", Flaming liberal " such as Hillary Clinton", or anything else, all Im saying is weapons are a defense to crime... Everyone has a right to defend themself, just dont ask me my opinion to what extent.
I will also say that the best and most effective line of defensen to crime starts with the citizen.

Well not only was the opencarry ban put forward by the "Nazi" Janet Reno when shall issue was introduced, but our legislation was also convinced that it would "Weed" out the criminals.

mach1chris · Sep 22, 2011

MR Redenck said:
I really support most of what Liberarians stand for with the exception of legalizing drugs. " I'll have no part of it".
Liberals ARE nothing more than Socialist.
You cant compromise with socialist. If you dont believe me, just look at all the gun control effort that has been passed in the last 35 years.

They don't talk about legalizing drugs. They want to decriminalize it and leave it up to the states to decide on how to tax it. In a result, will bring lots of revenue for the state(s).

SovereignAxe · Sep 23, 2011

mach1chris said:
The modern American liberal is most certainly NOT liberal. They advocate socialist and communist ideals and are decidedly fascist in their approach to the control they wish to assert over the people.

A liberal would be more in line with the modern libertarian. Someone who's political philosophy can effectively be distilled to "Do as you wish as long as you dont harm another or his property" as well as very pro-gun.

it's funny you say that because I used to consider myself a liberal (although never completely considering myself a democrat-guns being one of several issues), but I now consider myself more of a libertarian than anything.

When anyone asks me though, I usually tell people that I'm a Constitutionalist.

btw, why is this thread in the Florida sub-forum? Seems like it should be in the social lounge or general discussion.

MR Redenck · Sep 23, 2011

mach1chris said:
Well not only was the opencarry ban put forward by the "Nazi" Janet Reno when shall issue was introduced, but our legislation was also convinced that it would "Weed" out the criminals.

Hey how about that. Thats the same excuse the Texas TSRA, NRA, and damn near every so called want be conservative in Texas uses. "Weed Out The Criminals" Bwaaaaahaha!!!! Criminals are already armed..... Licensing does not prevent anyone from carrying except the honest public.
That excuse does not hold water.
I support a lot of things, but licensing aint one of them.

mach1chris · Sep 23, 2011

SovereignAxe said:
it's funny you say that because I used to consider myself a liberal (although never completely considering myself a democrat-guns being one of several issues), but I now consider myself more of a libertarian than anything.

When anyone asks me though, I usually tell people that I'm a Constitutionalist.

btw, why is this thread in the Florida sub-forum? Seems like it should be in the social lounge or general discussion.

Yea it should be in the social lounge, but it is what it is... And im not going to start picking sides with republican and democrat, because i think both sides are full of shiit, but why would guns be an issue with you considering yourself a democrat?... I never thought that because you were a democrat that you had to be against guns or disliked guns. I've seen many democrats that are very pro-gun.

mach1chris · Sep 23, 2011

MR Redenck said:
Hey how about that. Thats the same excuse the Texas TSRA, NRA, and damn near every so called want be conservative in Texas uses. "Weed Out The Criminals" Bwaaaaahaha!!!! Criminals are already armed..... Licensing does not prevent anyone from carrying except the honest public.
That excuse does not hold water.
I support a lot of things, but licensing aint one of them.

I also disagree with licensing and only because the 2 amendment should be you're only permit needed, but this country has changed since when the constitution was made and I believe that licensing now days is a good thing. Since we have become a shall issue state, crime has gone down.

MR Redenck · Sep 23, 2011

SovereignAxe said:
it's funny you say that because I used to consider myself a liberal (although never completely considering myself a democrat-guns being one of several issues), but I now consider myself more of a libertarian than anything.

When anyone asks me though, I usually tell people that I'm a Constitutionalist.

btw, why is this thread in the Florida sub-forum? Seems like it should be in the social lounge or general discussion.

HaHa, aint that funny. " I have said pretty much the same thing about myself". HaHa
You know whats real funny is the less than Constitutional ideas I use to have were pretty much influenced by other my whole life.
The day I decided to study certain subjects to gain unheard of knowledge, I started seeing the eror in my ways.
Now days I have people calling me a Anarchist, well thats just not true either. " And pretty dang stupid at that"!
Most of my political views are based on Capitalism , " Something I support".
As far as weapons and the right the keep and bare those weapons, my opinion is based on crime prevention. " The citizen is the first line of defense against crime"... Weapons laws only restrict the honest law abiding citizen.
So, today im just a Constitutional Conservative.

mach1chris · Sep 23, 2011

Makes me wonder if voting for these so called "Pro-gun" republicans is such a good idea, because I've seen them do nothing but vote for where ever the money is. I've seen more republicans infringe upon our rights then the so called "Anti-gun" democrat. Look at what happened here in Florida, A republican killed the open carry bill...why?? In my opinion they are all about where the money and politics are.

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