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M-Taliesin

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It's not grounds, I am 100% against officers being bullies, and doing this to law abiding citizens! I'm all for putting LEOs in their place when it comes to stopping a law abiding citizen. I believe that the Government is to big, and needs to be shrunk. The more that people stand up to the Govt., the better off we are as Americans.

Hope that clears my position up, as I feel you read my post as supporting the officers, which I DON'T.

Peace be with you,

RebelWolf

Howdy Reb!
I think you may have gotten a wrong impression of what I was after in my reply to you earlier. I wasn'tsaying you were supporting the officers at all. At least, that ain't what I intended.
My questions were more rhetorical. How can an officer under color of law get away with "assault with a deadly weapon" when drawing down on an armed law abiding citizen?
This behaviour is illegal if anybody does it, so why should the man with a badge get away with such conduct?

I wasn't saying that was your position, but posing the question why criminal charges should not be pressed against those who threatened a law abiding OC'er with deadly physical force?

Blessings,
M-Taliesin
 

RebelWolf

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Howdy Reb!
My questions were more rhetorical. How can an officer under color of law get away with "assault with a deadly weapon" when drawing down on an armed law abiding citizen?
This behaviour is illegal if anybody does it, so why should the man with a badge get away with such conduct?

Agreed. The question now is, who is going to make this happen? Trying to press charges against a cop seems like it would be pretty hard, unless you have video of them doing some stupid stuff (or they admit to it). If ya have any good ideas, post em!

RebelWolf
 

Gunslinger

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So I read the Be prepared to deal with le at sometime (even at belmar) thread and didn't handle my encounter the other day properly. I was told to put my hands up and walk to the officers. This was after I turned around and realized there was three of them with guns drawn. Two with handguns and one with AR. Once I was close enough for them they had me turn around and serounded me. The lady officer disarmed me (didn't realize safty was on and couldn't pull the slide back) and when she was done they all reholstered their weapons. Had me put my hands behind my back. Removed my bag and patted me down and asked what was in my pocket I answered and he proceeded to remove the mentioned items. When he got my wallet he asked if he could retreave my id and I asked him if I had committed, on my way to, or suspicion of committing a crime and he gave me the check for felon excuse so I folded and let him. Next time this happens I have a better feeling of the stop and not allow/consent to search and removal of gun and items or id.

Ps
Since I have seen it come up on other leo stop threads I was carrying Para 1911 .45 and I'm only specifying cal cause I have a rock island armory 1911 9mm.

Your rights were egregiously violated under both Federal and State law. You should seek a lawyer and file suit against these ******** for false arrest and aggravated assault. I can't believe this happened in Colorado! At the very least, file a formal complaint with the cops and the DA. There is no such thing as the"check for a felon" bull crap they fed you. CO is strict Terry and they had no RAS, none. This is ******* incredible!
 

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Stories like this make my blood boil, I didn't fight for this country for agents of the law take away peoples freedom... Officers really need to quit being bullies, and pull their heads out of their four point of contact.

I'd be calling the local news stations, newspapers, lawyers, writing my congressman... heck, I'd talk to anyone that would listen, and tell the story of how some "thugs" pulled guns on me and violated my rights, while I was just minding my own business.

To the OP, I'm 100% on your side! Next time you go out, don't carry ID (not required to by CO law while not Driving), and refuse to comply with illegal searches (especially at gunpoint!), MAKE them get a warrant. It'll be hard for them to ID you when they can't bully the info out of you. Demand to speak to a supervisor, and tell them that they can't touch you, or your firearm (make them take it away from you, and object to them taking it away LOUDLY). Don't just "give in" they don't own you, and have no right to stop you from peacefully minding your own business! And the BS felon excuse.... It's just that, BS! I feel sorry for you having your rights raped! Next time fight back a little bit (respectfully of course), and let them know that you are not to be messed with, they might just back off. Tell them "I don't consent to searches, or seizure of my property." Read the "Stop and ID?" post, good information in there, as well as my article which has some empowering videos on what to do in similar situations. They also have good sitings of CO state statutes (with hyperlinks) that you might find useful for the future. Also, carry a recorder next time, CO doesn't require that you notify the other party of the recording (your phone might work).

At any rate, this sounds to me like the beginning of a nice settlement, and possibly some forced leave time for some "thugs." Press charges, and do whatever you can!

Peace be with you,

RebelWolf

P.S. Here is a link to the Colorado ACLU http://aclu-co.org/

Good article. Welcome to the forum.
 

since9

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Wether or not you believe in God, M19111s, your experience and post here has bend recording for all time. I've captured it to jpg, as I know many others have as well.

That's one of the most powerful capabilities of the Internet - whatever's out there is out there!

Can't hide from the law.

So I read the Be prepared to deal with le at sometime (even at belmar) thread and didn't handle my encounter the other day properly. I was told to put my hands up and walk to the officers. This was after I turned around and realized there was three of them with guns drawn. Two with handguns and one with AR. Once I was close enough for them they had me turn around and serounded me. The lady officer disarmed me (didn't realize safty was on and couldn't pull the slide back) and when she was done they all reholstered their weapons. Had me put my hands behind my back. Removed my bag and patted me down and asked what was in my pocket I answered and he proceeded to remove the mentioned items. When he got my wallet he asked if he could retreave my id and I asked him if I had committed, on my way to, or suspicion of committing a crime and he gave me the check for felon excuse so I folded and let him. Next time this happens I have a better feeling of the stop and not allow/consent to search and removal of gun and items or id.

Ps
Since I have seen it come up on other leo stop threads I was carrying Para 1911 .45 and I'm only specifying cal cause I have a rock island armory 1911 9mm.

Seem's like an unlawful stop to me. Also seems familiar - have I responded to this before?
 
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