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    Spokane Valley adult home loses license over guns

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...thomeguns.html

    SPOKANE, Wash. The state Department of Social and Health Services has revoked the license of a Spokane Valley adult family home because the caregiver carries a pistol and keeps a shotgun locked up in his room.
    The state agency told KREM ( http://bit.ly/n1ul53) the issue is not gun rights, but the safety of six elderly residents.
    Police escorted DSHS investigators on an Aug. 29 inspection of the Valley Pines Retirement Home.
    Home operator Spencer Lowell says he has the proper permits to carry a pistol and has violated no laws. He says he locks the pistol up at night with the shotgun.
    The license revocation is being appealed through administrative hearings.
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    W.t.f.

    Why do they have the right to take away his business for safety reasons? But you can walk into almost any Gun shop and they are always carrying for the same reason. and the state doesn't close them down!!! Just another way for the socialist to take control of just one more more little piece of our way of life.
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    Sounds really ridiculous. Where are the old folks going to live if they have to leave this place? Bet the state hasn't thought about that. Wouldn't the residents be SAFER because their caretaker is armed?
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

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    DSHS Documents:

    http://images.bimedia.net/documents/...+documents.pdf

    they are portraying the Father as uninformed as to the firearms and conditions and the son as somewhat paranoid.

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    They had a very good interview with the home owner/operator on KREM Spokane Channel 2 last night. The owner carrys, and owns a shot gun. The shotgun is locked up in a safe, in his room, in a closet. The owner carries all day, and locks up his pistol at night>(why would he do that?)\\anyway, that is what was said.

    DSHS regulations say that firearms must be "accessable only to authorized persons". Sounds to me that there must be a new very strongly anti-gun case worker involved...when they (I am going to call it a raid) raided the home, the DSHS representative brought armed Local law enforcement with her. (don't remember if they said 2 or 3, but the video only showed one LEO)

    The Home owner/operator also stated that he had been inspected before, and the presence of the firearms was not in contention on the previous visits.

    The owner/operator has filed an appeal with DSHS. It will be interesting what comes of the appeal.
    Last edited by hermannr; 09-21-2011 at 08:34 PM.

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    This is stupid. There is a shortage of adult homes for those who need care. There are many out there who are abusive towards their patients and don't care about them. Here we have a caregiver who had his license taken away to care for of vulnerable adults not because of the above issues I mentioned but for having guns in the house, all of which seem to be properly stored and safely handled.

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    Amazing the State does not act quickly on abuses of nursing homes and these adult homes as well with over medicating and abuse but let someone be prepared to protect himself and those in his home then all they go crazy on something as this.
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    How many children and adults have died in Washington State while under the care and supervision of DSHS in situations that involved firearms? I haven't read of any but I've read of far too many where they have been beaten, starved, and even burned to death by another "resident" of a DSHS supervised home setting fire to it.

    Guns are the least of DSHS' problem. Lack of intelligence seems to be high on the list of DSHS problems.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Simple response - How many have died under DSHS supervision and how many have died under the caretaker's supervision? Then wait for the sound of teeth gnashing.

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    The whole story.

    Hi everyone,
    Here is a list of links. The first two links are to (my) Spencer's complete story about how everything came to pass. The third link is to the DSHS documents (their investigation report, and notice of license revocation), and the last three links are the Youtube posted recordings of what ACTUALLY happened at the one and only meeting I had with DSHS before they shut down our business. It's the complete package of everything one would need to discover the truth of this tragedy.

    Please, by all means, re-post this list of links, or send them to media outlets, or legislators, or anyone you wish. It would help me greatly the further this spreads.
    God bless you and yours,
    Spencer

    The Story:
    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?not...50295672971200
    alternate non-facebook story location :
    http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/...d.php?t=199212

    Here are the documents: http://images.bimedia.net/documents/...+documents.pdf

    Here are the recordings, parts 1 - 3:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02IGluXif2U
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_mAX5ZXMBE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_3x8_zprQI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spencer Lowell View Post
    Hi everyone,
    Here is a list of links. The first two links are to (my) Spencer's complete story about how everything came to pass. The third link is to the DSHS documents (their investigation report, and notice of license revocation), and the last three links are the Youtube posted recordings of what ACTUALLY happened at the one and only meeting I had with DSHS before they shut down our business. It's the complete package of everything one would need to discover the truth of this tragedy.

    Please, by all means, re-post this list of links, or send them to media outlets, or legislators, or anyone you wish. It would help me greatly the further this spreads.
    God bless you and yours,
    Spencer

    The Story:
    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?not...50295672971200
    alternate non-facebook story location :
    http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/...d.php?t=199212

    Here are the documents: http://images.bimedia.net/documents/...+documents.pdf

    Here are the recordings, parts 1 - 3:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02IGluXif2U
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_mAX5ZXMBE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_3x8_zprQI
    Thanks Spencer. It is always the best to get information from the "horses mouth"

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    Welcome to the forum, Spencer. I wish it was under better circumstances.

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    My blood is just absolutely boiling after reading that.

    I'm gonna go have a cigarette before responding further...
    Last edited by .45ACPaddy; 09-23-2011 at 07:34 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by SayWhat View Post

    Shooters before hooters.

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    Well wouldn't be a problem if we didn't allow the state to regulate and license everything. This should be a private matter between private individuals.

    Did they even think to ask the residents what they thought or how they felt?

    Gotta love that socialism.
    Last edited by sudden valley gunner; 09-23-2011 at 08:40 AM.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Unfortunately this is an example of why one should have a lawyer on call. Especially when dealing with the State.

    At first contact I would have said "nothing further will be said until our lawyer arrives.

    If all is as was described in the "narrative" that same lawyer should now be filing lawsuits.

    Isn't amazing how law enforcement is so adept at intimidating people to consent to searches. The most important lesson people need to learn is "KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT".
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spencer Lowell View Post
    ...Please, by all means, re-post this list of links, or send them to media outlets, or legislators, or anyone you wish. It would help me greatly the further this spreads.
    God bless you and yours,
    Spencer
    Welcome to the forum though I am horrified for the reason for your visit.

    I am going to assume that your many hours of firearms training never dealt with "How to deal with your government when it shows up in your life unasked for and unannounced." Welcome to the real world. This will be a painful lesson on the overreach of unchallenged power.

    Your state provided civics education will not be up to the task of righting this wrong or even challenging the machine in Olympia. You will need the services of a good lawyer and you will need to educate yourself on YOUR RIGHTS for the future. Notably the correct use of your Fifth Amendment Right to keep quiet.

    Best of luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post

    Isn't amazing how law enforcement is so adept at intimidating people to consent to searches. The most important lesson people need to learn is "KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT".
    You only get adept at it by training and practice.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    You only get adept at it by training and practice.
    Everyone should carry a 12" piece of "Duck Tape". If you don't need it to keep your mouth closed you can use it to fasten you pistol or spare mag to your forehead
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Everyone should carry a 12" piece of "Duck Tape". If you don't need it to keep your mouth closed you can use it to fasten you pistol or spare mag to your forehead

    LOL.....

    I worded my post poorly, I was referring to the cops and their coercive tactics at getting people to talk.

    Although the more you are approached the easier it becomes at becoming adept at exercising your rights and the greater the satisfaction in staying firm against coercion.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Welcome to the forum, Spencer; and thank you for filling us in on the entire disturbing story.

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