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    Nevada has a New State Firearms Association!

    NEVADA HAS A NEW STATE FIREARMS ASSOCIATION!

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    LAS VEGAS GUN RIGHTS RALLY SCHEDULED

    At the September 17, 2011 Board of Director’s meeting of the National Rifle Association, the Board voted to designate the newly formed Nevada Firearms Coalition as the official NRA State Association. The Coalition is “Dedicated to the Ownership and Safe Use of Firearms for Self-defense, Competition, Recreation and Hunting.” The Coalition is also the state association for the National Shooting Sports Foundation in Nevada.

    Registered by the State of Nevada as a nonprofit corporation, the Coalition will begin its membership drive on October 1, 2011. Please visit our web page at www.nvfac.org for more details and consider joining our coalition.

    Members will have access to member benefits, a member’s forum, Nevada gun rights news, events, public meetings, a list of club and corporate membership, as well as links to other firearms sites. We are also forming a PAC and will be involved in gun rights laws throughout Nevada.

    On November 19, 2011 the NRA-ILA will host a grassroots gun rights rally from 1 to 4 pm at the Silverton Casino in Las Vegas. Be sure to mark your calendars and we will send out the registration materials when we receive them from NRA-ILA.

    Don Turner, President
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    Quote Originally Posted by varminter22 View Post
    NEVADA HAS A NEW STATE FIREARMS ASSOCIATION!

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    LAS VEGAS GUN RIGHTS RALLY SCHEDULED

    At the September 17, 2011 Board of Director’s meeting of the National Rifle Association, the Board voted to designate the newly formed Nevada Firearms Coalition as the official NRA State Association. The Coalition is “Dedicated to the Ownership and Safe Use of Firearms for Self-defense, Competition, Recreation and Hunting.” The Coalition is also the state association for the National Shooting Sports Foundation in Nevada.

    Registered by the State of Nevada as a nonprofit corporation, the Coalition will begin its membership drive on October 1, 2011. Please visit our web page at www.nvfac.org for more details and consider joining our coalition.

    Members will have access to member benefits, a member’s forum, Nevada gun rights news, events, public meetings, a list of club and corporate membership, as well as links to other firearms sites. We are also forming a PAC and will be involved in gun rights laws throughout Nevada.

    On November 19, 2011 the NRA-ILA will host a grassroots gun rights rally from 1 to 4 pm at the Silverton Casino in Las Vegas. Be sure to mark your calendars and we will send out the registration materials when we receive them from NRA-ILA.

    Don Turner, President
    Nevada Firearms Coalition
    www.nvfac.org

    https://www.facebook.com/NVFAC

    Why would the event be held at the Silverton? It has shown in the past that it is decidedly anti-gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    Why would the event be held at the Silverton? It has shown in the past that it is decidedly anti-gun.

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    TBG brings up a good point.
    Unless it's at Bass Pro I don't think we'll be able to OC.
    Maybe they will get the Silverton cool with us open carrying.
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    2 names on the board pop out at me. Don Turner and Bob Irwin. Turner I think was part of the shooting park deal here in clark county. So maybe he can work headstrong for us on the parks issue, or maybe not. Second Irwin I am not a fan of, his CCW instructors are not OC friendly and there has been some misleading and wrong info come from them. I will withhold my money and support until I know that these 2 folks are really working for us.

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    Wow, I didn't realize that we didn't have enough of them already.

    Oh, wait . . .this one belongs to NRA. I guess someone saw the progress being made here in Nevada and realized that it's easier to claim credit (and get the donations) if they have a shill group here.

    The guys who have done all of the work deserve better than to be shoved into the background by the camera queens from Virginia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    Wow, I didn't realize that we didn't have enough of them already.

    Oh, wait . . .this one belongs to NRA. I guess someone saw the progress being made here in Nevada and realized that it's easier to claim credit (and get the donations) if they have a shill group here.

    The guys who have done all of the work deserve better than to be shoved into the background by the camera queens from Virginia.
    You must not know the one who posted this, do you.....

    Further, how many state firearms associations are there in Nevada?

    And, keep in mind Rule 12
    •(12) NO BASHING OF OTHER GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS: Regardless of how convinced you are that another gun rights organization is not doing their job, this is not the place to air those concerns unless they are specifically related to an anti-open carry position taken by that organization. All other rants against other gun rights groups will be deleted or the thread locked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    You must not know the one who posted this, do you.....

    Further, how many state firearms associations are there in Nevada?

    And, keep in mind Rule 12
    It doesn't matter who posted it -- there is no "official spokesman" for our civil rights, and not all who work for them are members of any group. There is certainly a strong core of effective people, but the NRA didn't pick any of them to run this new "state" association. They DID pick some people whose records are "iffy."

    Having had my own differences with some of the effective folks in here -- including YOU in both groups, IIRC -- doesn't change the fact that we are allies whose differences are tactical, not strategic.

    I'm not sure that I would consider an association started, directed and part of a group from all the way on the other side of the country to be a "state" association. Are we also to now start calling Walmart a "Nevada store chain" . . ?

    Also, I wasn't aware that Rule 12 required that we not discuss history, just because discussing a gun group's past actions might be considered "bashing" by that group's supporters.

    I do not believe that this new group shares our strategic goals, and have seen numerous actions by its parent organization to actively work against them. If this can't be discussed, than fairness demands that NO mention of the group be made here, unless each mention includes a disclaimer stating that it is a puff piece and not to be considered accurate.

    To me, "bashing" would be saying "I hate ___," but it's not bashing to say that "___ tried to kill the Heller lawsuit" or that "___ tried to prevent the legalization of concealed carry in Arizona," both of which are true statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    It doesn't matter who posted it -- there is no "official spokesman" for our civil rights, and not all who work for them are members of any group. There is certainly a strong core of effective people, but the NRA didn't pick any of them to run this new "state" association. They DID pick some people whose records are "iffy."
    the person who posted this topic IS one of them, and is also someone who has been at the fore in much of the legislative efforts, and other direct efforts to work towards our Second Amendment Right, which isn't recognized as a 'civil right' yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVC
    Having had my own differences with some of the effective folks in here -- including YOU in both groups, IIRC -- doesn't change the fact that we are allies whose differences are tactical, not strategic.

    I'm not sure that I would consider an association started, directed and part of a group from all the way on the other side of the country to be a "state" association. Are we also to now start calling Walmart a "Nevada store chain" . . ?
    Huh? What makes you think this group started from the other side of the country?
    Quote Originally Posted by DVC
    Also, I wasn't aware that Rule 12 required that we not discuss history, just because discussing a gun group's past actions might be considered "bashing" by that group's supporters.
    I didn't claim you were bashing, but your comments were headed rapidly in that direction.
    Quote Originally Posted by DVC
    I do not believe that this new group shares our strategic goals, and have seen numerous actions by its parent organization to actively work against them. If this can't be discussed, than fairness demands that NO mention of the group be made here, unless each mention includes a disclaimer stating that it is a puff piece and not to be considered accurate.

    To me, "bashing" would be saying "I hate ___," but it's not bashing to say that "___ tried to kill the Heller lawsuit" or that "___ tried to prevent the legalization of concealed carry in Arizona," both of which are true statements.
    Yet those are opinions passed as fact, yet not specific fact.



    Now, how many state firearms associations are there in Nevada?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    the person who posted this topic IS one of them, and is also someone who has been at the fore in much of the legislative efforts, and other direct efforts to work towards our Second Amendment Right, which isn't recognized as a 'civil right' yet.
    The failure of some to recognize a right does not diminish that right.

    Huh? What makes you think this group started from the other side of the country?
    Oh, I dunno, you think maybe it's because the NRA is located almost as far as you can drive from here without leaving the United States? Looking at a map, that's sure "other side of the country" to me! This is NOT an ad hoc group that then was taken into the NRA fold, it didn't exist until the NRA decided that they wanted a formal presence in Nevada.

    I didn't claim you were bashing, but your comments were headed rapidly in that direction.
    Yet those are opinions passed as fact, yet not specific fact.
    Nope. Neither is opinion, both are true, both are specific fact. The gun mags told of the way the NRA tried to spike Alan Gura, and I have told of how they tried to spike CCW in Arizona when I got that whole process started in 1989. In each case, the NRA official stance was that the goal was unobtainable at the time, and that all Alan or I could do was make the "political environment" more difficult -- but in each case we WON, not with help from the NRA but DESPITE them.

    Now, how many state firearms associations are there in Nevada?
    Enough, plus one, even if we had NO other groups in Nevada. This addition is like putting an afterburner on a turtle. It may look impressive, but chrome won't get you home. Unless you think the goal is to have as many "state firearms associations" as possible, I don't see much benefit. Think of the "Marine Rifleman's Creed," that line about what counts "is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, or the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count."

    Stillwater HAS BEEN getting the hits -- and will continue to be so -- without support from the NRA. Yet the NRA decided that Nevada needed a whole new group, directed by some people who have less than stellar reputations among the people around here who have been getting results. Watch, and you will see them try to take over the whole issue in the media, and try to marginalize Stillwater and everyone else.

    Do you REALLY expect this new outfit to fight for Constitutional Carry, when one of the leaders is in the business of servicing the current law?

    How about Open Carry, how strongly do you expect them to defend that, when that same guy has publicly stated his disapproval and on every occasion I've seen him has given erroneous, damaging statements to the media regarding OC? Which makes you want to follow him more, believing that he is lying, or merely ignorant?

    This is a "Gray Flag" operation. You can't be sure from one minute to the next if they will defend your flank or attack it. Even if they are mostly sincere, they are digging their trenches in ground that Stillwater and hundreds of other Nevada activists have already taken, so how much help will they be? THAT is opinion, but it is opinion borne of watching the NRA over the last 40 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    The failure of some to recognize a right does not diminish that right.
    The Second Amendment IS a Right.

    The Second Amendment is NOT recognized as a civil right.

    That does not diminish the 2A, it just does not place it upon the footing of civil right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC-moto450r View Post
    This does make me wonder why an established group such as Stillwater wasn't just backed, endorsed, etc... by the NRA. Is there a ulterior motive of the NRA? Does Stillwater have too many successes that are counter productive to the NRA agenda?
    Huh? What ever are you talking out the wrong end of it about?
    I will not get in to the decisions about that specific, but I am VERY aware that the SFA and NRA have a very solid working relationship. Your comment is simply "out there."
    Quote Originally Posted by OC-moto450r
    I am far from the right person to cast aspersion about the NRA but since I am new to this 2A rights movment I do question every groups motives. The move that the NRA made does leave me wondering what their motives are.
    First off, the "move" was one that I am sure was well chosen. In particular, I do believe that up to this point, the NSRPA was the designated NRA association. I also do believe that the NSRPA seemed to have become "absent" in the dialogue.
    Further, for ANY association to be "backed, endorsed, etc....by the NRA," is not just the NRA selecting a group. It is ALSO that group choosing to be that recognized association.


    Now, just as a thought experiment, if the NRA approached any group that DVC were to create, do you think HE would actively accept that two-way relationship with them?



    If you "wonder" about the relationship (or apparent non-relationship) between the NRA and SFA, your best route would be to contact the board and ask. That way, you don't have to wonder, and you avoid spreading dis- or mis-information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    Oh, I dunno, you think maybe it's because the NRA is located almost as far as you can drive from here without leaving the United States? Looking at a map, that's sure "other side of the country" to me! This is NOT an ad hoc group that then was taken into the NRA fold, it didn't exist until the NRA decided that they wanted a formal presence in Nevada.
    What do you base that upon? Were you "in" on the development of the group, thus you know? Or is this your assumption, sans factual data?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVC
    Nope. Neither is opinion, both are true, both are specific fact. The gun mags told of the way the NRA tried to spike Alan Gura, and I have told of how they tried to spike CCW in Arizona when I got that whole process started in 1989. In each case, the NRA official stance was that the goal was unobtainable at the time, and that all Alan or I could do was make the "political environment" more difficult -- but in each case we WON, not with help from the NRA but DESPITE them.
    So, because they didn't agree with the methods you desired to pursue, you are still holding a grudge? Okay. Noted.



    Quote Originally Posted by DVC
    Enough, plus one, even if we had NO other groups in Nevada. This addition is like putting an afterburner on a turtle. It may look impressive, but chrome won't get you home. Unless you think the goal is to have as many "state firearms associations" as possible, I don't see much benefit. Think of the "Marine Rifleman's Creed," that line about what counts "is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, or the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count."
    There was NO active state association prior to this one.
    Can you name one other active state association?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVC
    Stillwater HAS BEEN getting the hits -- and will continue to be so -- without support from the NRA. Yet the NRA decided that Nevada needed a whole new group, directed by some people who have less than stellar reputations among the people around here who have been getting results. Watch, and you will see them try to take over the whole issue in the media, and try to marginalize Stillwater and everyone else.
    Are you THAT out of touch? Really?
    Quote Originally Posted by DCV
    Do you REALLY expect this new outfit to fight for Constitutional Carry, when one of the leaders is in the business of servicing the current law?

    How about Open Carry, how strongly do you expect them to defend that, when that same guy has publicly stated his disapproval and on every occasion I've seen him has given erroneous, damaging statements to the media regarding OC? Which makes you want to follow him more, believing that he is lying, or merely ignorant?

    This is a "Gray Flag" operation. You can't be sure from one minute to the next if they will defend your flank or attack it. Even if they are mostly sincere, they are digging their trenches in ground that Stillwater and hundreds of other Nevada activists have already taken, so how much help will they be? THAT is opinion, but it is opinion borne of watching the NRA over the last 40 years.
    I would suggest that you get a conversation with varminter22 before you REALLY show it for all..
    Your comments about what SFA and/or NRA are doing or not doing are complete fabrications.

    I am IN stillwater, on the LAC, working WITH varminter and others, AND the NRA, and was on the board of stillwater. You are quite simply wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC-moto450r View Post
    Why not? Isn't that how people are educated, learn for the poeple in-the-know? Like I said, I'm new here and have questions. Thanks for letting me know I'm talking out my a$$.
    Because the people who make the decisions are the ones who should either share that or not share that information.
    Sorry for my manner, but from my PoV IN SFA, I cannot see how that is even a suggestion that is viable.



    Quote Originally Posted by OC-moto450r
    Good info. Why would NSRPA become "absent" in the dialog with the NRA? I agree that it would need to be a two way relationship but why would an established group choose not to expand its role in Nevada? Is expansion in Nevada really the issue or is it the they don't want to align their agenda with the NRA? I'm not trying to be sarcastic in my question I am truly curious.
    That is a good question for the people running the NSRPA.
    From what I recall when I WAS part of discussions, the NSRPA was the NRA state association. SFA began working with the NRA, and at that time (IIRC, about 2006/7), communicating with anyone in the NSRPA was very patchy. I do not know why.






    Quote Originally Posted by OC-moto450r
    HUH? Where did I spread mis-information? Like I said in my last sentence "My guess is that the Nevada Firearms Coalition is attempting to have a wider breadth of offerings."

    before.....


    And: "Does Stillwater have too many successes that are counter productive to the NRA agenda?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC-moto450r View Post
    Wow you have been involved with them for a long time! Just kidding.
    Well, with the sfa, yes; so to speak. In fact, when I became a board member, we only had about 50-60 members.........
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    Okay. Now I'll chime in.

    Mr Wrightme has been pretty much "spot on." I've known him since approximately 1999. He served on my SFA Board of Directors for several years. I can attest to his extreme credibility.

    The NSRPA was for many years the official NRA Nevada state organization; for many years now it has been inactive - impotent, if not dead. Why? I do not know for sure; I could only speculate and present a personal opinion, which I'll not do here. For years I tried to keep open a dialogue with the NSRPA president but got nowhere. And, three of the NSRPA Directors live right here in Fallon and for many years I've asked what is going on in NSRPA and not a single one knows a thing. The NSRPA website hasn't been updated since early 2007 (and was weak before that.) Haven't seen an NSRPA newsletter in many years. Hence my comment the NSRPA is impotent if not dead. If you know of ANY NSRPA activity, please share it.

    I joined SFA in 1999. Frankly, the primary reason I joined was to have a place to shoot my varmint rifles from a bench rest. In 2003, the acting president fell quite ill. I volunteered for the vice president position. I found we had 62 paid members. For some years, to have six to 15 members show up for a monthly meeting was good. There was virtually no club activity.

    A couple of us decided to host some shooting matches. Big success.

    So I went through the membership roll, obtained email addresses and brought SFA into the online/email world. We hosted more events of various types.

    In 2005 I became the President. We never went on a formal membership drive, but endeavored to host events and sent press releases about the club and events. Membership continued to grow.

    In 2009 I elected to step down from the President position but remained on the Board of Directors. At that time, we had 502 members - a nice increase from 62. (I served as a Board member until August 2011, and continue to serve as Chairman, Legislative Action Committee and Public Affairs Officer.)

    SFA has long been affiliated with the NRA - our affiliation number is B2244. And in recent years, SFA had several opportunities to become the official NRA state organization. The Board of Directors decided to decline that opportunity. (In my opinion, that is irrelevant to this topic.)

    To say that "SFA has had too many successes that are counter-productive to the NRA agenda" is ridiculous. I/we have worked closely with the NRA-ILA since becoming legislatively active in the 2007 legislative session. It has been a superb relationship.

    Do I always agree with the NRA? No. And I have not been shy about letting that fact be known. But is the NRA still a large, vocal, helpful and good organization? You bet it is. And I can tell you the NRA-ILA has been there - many times "behind the scenes" - working for you and me.

    Ladies and gentlemen, the loss of 2nd amendment rights happened over several scores. We'll not, in all likelihood, regain all rights "overnight." As much as I would love to have a large number of pro-gun bills, or one huge omnibus bill, and correct a LOT of issues in one fell swoop, it likely will not happen that way. I have a rather lengthy list of things I believe should be fixed! Priorities must be set and unfortunately one must look at the political environment and shoot for legislation that has a chance of passage. On that note, how many of you have communicated with the NRA-ILA? And/or attended bill hearings in Carson City? (Okay, I know a lot of you guys here have done that!)

    Prior to the recent formation of the Nevada Firearms Coalition (NFC) (happily, the name I suggested was adopted!), we really did not have a statewide organization. I think I can safely say that SFA was the "defacto" state organization since 2007 as we were and continue to be quite active, lobbying in the NV legislature, host numerous shooting and other events, and grew to about 800 members in 10 Nevada counties.

    The NRA did NOT form NFC. However, in my opinion, the NRA did like seeing a new statewide organization and encouraged it; hence the recent NFC decision to request to become the official NRA affiliate (and NSSF) state organization.

    I do not yet personally know many of the Directors of the new NFC. But I am perplexed by the presumptious opinions presented here. Why not give this new outfit a chance??

    I am honored to serve on the new NFC Board as Northwest Area Director. I can assure you that I'll not bow to any pressure to diminish in any way our battle to restore our God-given rights guaranteed by Article 1, Section 11 of the Nevada Constitution and the 2nd Amendment to the U. S. Constitution.

    Do I REALLY expect this new outfit to fight for Constitutional Carry, when one of the leaders is in the business of servicing the current law? Yes, I do expect that. I'll be the first to speak up if it does not. Bear in mind that we need to elect more pro-gun legislators. We had TWO such bills this year, but neither got so much as an initial hearing because of the current majority party. (I'm not sure of which NFC leader you speak; please send private message with some details.)

    About Open Carry, how strongly do I expect NFC to defend it? Again, I personally DO expect NFC to support/defend open carry. And again, if not I'll be the first to speak up.

    In reference to, "This is a "Gray Flag" operation", well, that is presumptious at best.

    I've long believed Nevada desperately needs a strong statewide organization. Here is our chance.

    Instead of discussing why you think the new NFC will fail, I respectfully request everyone get onboard and support it. If you see it going south, speak up! Communicate your thoughts to the NFC Board. And nothing says you have to renew membership. Get involved. I ask that with all sincerity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varminter22 View Post

    I do not yet personally know many of the Directors of the new NFC. But I am perplexed by the presumptious opinions presented here. Why not give this new outfit a chance??
    My issues have been expressed. Irwin has not been the best spokesman for us, and his instructors have had issues that have been corrected only to show up again.
    I dont know the Don fellow, but I would hope he would get on board with our park issue.

    I trust you Larry and David and SFA. I am willing to join and try it then. And I promise to hammer them hard for our issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    So, because they didn't agree with the methods you desired to pursue, you are still holding a grudge? Okay. Noted.
    No, because they ACTIVELY WORKED AGAINST US, attempting to undermine what we were doing, because they didn't want it done until THEY got around to it, if ever.

    Did you sleep through the whole Heller and MacDonald thing . . ? Or were you getting all of your news from American Rifleman?

    You are welcome to support anyone and anything you choose. For me, I'll keep an eye on it, and if proven wrong -- as I would really love to be -- then I will support it. But I've been watching the NRA since 1972, and just plain don't see any reason to trust them or anything they touch as far as civil rights. They are the supreme gun safety group, but they are not as strong on our rights as they paint themselves being.

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    When Bob Irwin is involved, it is for personal gain.
    The NRA Fumbled the lawsuit in NLV (Hanes)
    We have a ton more Tyranny here, than you have up North, Which is exactly why the NRA deals with you (Path of least resistance.)
    If You want to be in our shoes, Keep sucking up what they are feeding you. Dont worry gun registration is not so bad.... Notice the attention they give registration, before you ever say the word "RIGHTS" to someone in Clark County..... Yes, that goes for YOU !!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    No, because they ACTIVELY WORKED AGAINST US, attempting to undermine what we were doing, because they didn't want it done until THEY got around to it, if ever.

    Did you sleep through the whole Heller and MacDonald thing . . ? Or were you getting all of your news from American Rifleman?

    You are welcome to support anyone and anything you choose. For me, I'll keep an eye on it, and if proven wrong -- as I would really love to be -- then I will support it. But I've been watching the NRA since 1972, and just plain don't see any reason to trust them or anything they touch as far as civil rights. They are the supreme gun safety group, but they are not as strong on our rights as they paint themselves being.
    I never said if I support it or not. And, your comments were beyond "if proven wrong -- as I would really love to be.."

    It sounds like you have questions to take to their board.


    And, the Second Amendment is not a recognized civil right.
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    When Bob Irwin is involved, it is for personal gain.
    The NRA Fumbled the lawsuit in NLV (Hanes)
    We have a ton more Tyranny here, than you have up North, Which is exactly why the NRA deals with you (Path of least resistance.)
    If You want to be in our shoes, Keep sucking up what they are feeding you. Dont worry gun registration is not so bad.... Notice the attention they give registration, before you ever say the word "RIGHTS" to someone in Clark County..... Yes, that goes for YOU !!!!
    You have me wrong. I do not do such.


    What organization would they have worked with down south? The NSRPA? They tried.
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    Originally Posted by DVC
    No, because they ACTIVELY WORKED AGAINST US, attempting to undermine what we were doing, because they didn't want it done until THEY got around to it, if ever.

    Did you sleep through the whole Heller and MacDonald thing . . ? Or were you getting all of your news from American Rifleman?

    You are welcome to support anyone and anything you choose. For me, I'll keep an eye on it, and if proven wrong -- as I would really love to be -- then I will support it. But I've been watching the NRA since 1972, and just plain don't see any reason to trust them or anything they touch as far as civil rights. They are the supreme gun safety group, but they are not as strong on our rights as they paint themselves being.
    It sounds like you have questions to take to their board.
    Now THAT is a great idea. DVC, why don't you direct your comments and questions to the NFC Board? Request clarification and statement(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by varminter22 View Post
    Now THAT is a great idea. DVC, why don't you direct your comments and questions to the NFC Board? Request clarification and statement(s).
    Statements mean little, and clarification will come by watching what they do.

    I would really like to be wrong about them, you know. It would be nice if they live up to your hopes. But having been led down that road a couple of times in the past, I've become really familiar with the onramp, and this one looks awfully familiar.

    We already even have a test for them -- the elimination of Clark County's registration scheme, and who gets that done. If NFC steps up and gets to work on it, great. Since they are a start-up, I give them 60 days to get into gear, and another month to make visible progress. If they mealy-mouth and weasel-word the idea, or aren't busy with this by then, that will show what they really have in mind.

    When I did my initiative drive in Arizona, I started as a solo act. Arizonans for Defense Rights was me for the first week. I did radio and TV interviews, and a week after I registered it with the state I had picked up 3,000 signatures, quiet logistics support from a MAJOR Arizona corporation, and had volunteers circulating the petitions in every county in the state. Within three months, I had the state so afraid that the initiative would pass that they brought back a perennially-rejected CCW permit bill and passed it. 20 years after that, they passed Constitutional Carry, and got the state out from between victim and defense.

    That's what even just one guy can do when the time has come for action. As Heinlein said, "When it's time to start railroading, people will build railroads." It's time for Clark County to shed its diapers and trust its citizens. If NFC (with it's big splash and "big-name" committee) can't make some headway on this in the same length of time that it took to take Arizona from Cop-Only CCW to shall-issue, then what use are they?

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