dashraider
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I'm still not certain if one can legally open carry in a US Postal office?
Any information would be appreciated.
Any information would be appreciated.
dashraider said:I'm still not certain if one can legally open carry in a US Postal office?
Any information would be appreciated.
NO! its a federal place.
No, do not carry on federal property.
can someone quote the law that specifies that we cannot carry on federal property, such as national parks, post offices, or national forests?
Thanks.
-STATUTE-
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly
possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous
weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility),
or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon
be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes
to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal
facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of
subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal
facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon,
or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as
provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to -
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer,
agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political
subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or
supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or
prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a
Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such
possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons
in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful
purposes.
Can someone quote the law that specifies that we cannot carry on Federal property, such as National Parks, Post Offices, or National Forests?
Thanks.
You can carry in the open, unfenced parking lot,
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?83154-A-newb-here...&highlight=usps
Can someone quote the law that specifies that we cannot carry on Federal property, such as National Parks, Post Offices, or National Forests?
Thanks.
jmelvin said:It appears some you don't grasp why Dr. Mark posted what he did. In not one but two cases responders stated flatly that it was illegal to carry on federal property and this is simply not a flat truth. We have restrictions on carrying at the USPS, within federal facilities, on Army Corps of Engineering lands, military bases and who knows what; but national parks are fair game, so are national forests depending on what each state lays out and Bureau of Land Management land is fair game for carrying as well. Due to these facts the flat statement that carry on federal property is forbidden is not correct.
Don't think about concealing either, carrying on postal property is banned, open or concealed. You can't even store them in your vehicle if it's parked on postal property. As of October 2009 there is a case law decision on the matter, US vs Dorosan
Sorry, I was trying to be subtle (as jmelvin surmised)... too subtle perhaps.Can someone quote the law that specifies that we cannot carry on Federal property, such as National Parks, Post Offices, or National Forests?
Sorry, I was trying to be subtle (as jmelvin surmised)... too subtle perhaps.
There is no ban on carrying in Federal places, or Federal property (again, as jmelvin has pointed out).
Federal facilities (buildings) are covered by USCs930 and the CFR address Post Offices specifically. Neither addresses Federal property in general, though that notion is frequently posted on this forum and others.
TITLE 18 - crimes and criminal procedure
PART I - crimes
CHAPTER 44 - firearms
-STATUTE-
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly
possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous
weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility),
or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon
be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes
to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal
facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of
subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal
facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon,
or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as
provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to -
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer,
agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political
subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or
supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or
prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a
Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such
possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons
in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful
purposes.
TITLE 18 - crimes and criminal procedure
PART I - crimes
CHAPTER 44 - firearms
I say carry on.
actually .. that is why I ONLY responded reference the post office and made no mention of any of the other places. That and the fact the other places were irrelevent to the original thread, which only asked about USPS.
This is not entirely accurate.You can carry in the open, unfenced parking lot,
You cannot carry or have it in your car inside of the fenced in portion of the parking lot.
That means that they cannot search your car in the parking lot unless it is (1) a nonpublic parking lot (i.e. fenced in to restrict use), and (2) posted that vehicles are subject to inspection. (They can still search your person as long as you are on postal property under 39 CFR 232.1(b)(1).)Vehicles and their contents brought into, while on, or being removed from restricted nonpublic areas are subject to inspection. A prominently displayed sign shall advise in advance that vehicles and their contents are subject to inspection when entering the restricted nonpublic area, while in the confines of the area, or when leaving the area. Persons entering these areas who object and refuse to consent to the inspection of the vehicle, its contents, or both, may be denied entry; after entering the area without objection, consent shall be implied. A full search of a person and any vehicle driven or occupied by the person may accompany an arrest.