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Big Ticket X102.9 Jacksonville Florida at Metropolitan Park

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So I was looking at a webpage for X102.9's event held at Met park in Jacksonville and thinking about going. I believe the City of Jax owns the park does Florida preemption allow the people who rented the park to ban weapons or do they have to follow preemption too?

http://www.x1029.com/thebigticket/

What is not allowed in?
•No coolers, food, beverages of any kind.

•No video cameras are allowed in.

•No audio recording devices

•No professional cameras. No cameras with removable lenses.

•No chairs of any kind.

•No umbrellas.

•No weapons.

•No musical instruments of any kind.

•No backpacks or duffle bags.

•No illicit drugs or drug paraphernalia.

•No glass containers.

•No pets with exception of service animals.
 
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Metropolitan Park is indeed owned by the City of Jacksonville. The question of whether a landlord (Jax) can convey a privilege (banning of lawfully carried firearms) that they, themselves do not possess (through preemption) is a question that is ripe for trial, but has not yet been addressed in the courts. Florida Carry's legal team has weighed in on the question, concluding that indeed, a public property leased to a private concern remains public property. Another small detail is that you'll notice "weapons" are prohibited. Per §790.001 Florida Statutes, a firearm is not a weapon. I will be forwarding your post to our Jacksonville lawyer to see if he wants to attend the event.
 
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It ought to be a pretty decent concert if he can get in :p
 
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Per §790.001 Florida Statutes, a firearm is not a weapon.
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nice catch


I would say that since it is not private property then it is indeed fair game.
 
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Schlitz said:
nice catch


I would say that since it is not private property then it is indeed fair game.
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I checked the Metropolitan Park website. It says, "no weapons or anything that can be construed as a weapon". The question is, who is doing the construing? My guess is that the minimum wage Barney at the concert will view a firearm, albeit lawfully carried, as a weapon and will prohibit entry on those grounds. I also found by checking my e-mail archive that I have already discussed this with the City of Jacksonville's Deputy General Counsel, who over a year ago said, "Your email has been forwarded to me. You are correct that Florida law allows CWFL holders to possess firearms in that facility. I will remind our folks in the recreation and special events departments of their requirements under the law. Thank you for bringing this to our attention." Apparently they forgot.
 
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rmodel65 said:
•No coolers, food, beverages of any kind.

•No video cameras are allowed in.

•No audio recording devices

•No professional cameras. No cameras with removable lenses.

•No chairs of any kind.

•No umbrellas.

•No weapons.

•No musical instruments of any kind.

•No backpacks or duffle bags.
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Who on earth would willingly subject themselves to this nonsense?
 
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hermannr said:
Why did they not add "no humans that have the ability to think for themselves"
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They may have forgot.

This is so retarded.... These people that actually go to this concert and subject them selfs to this non sense are plan dumb!!!... Why would anyone hang around a bunch of morons anyways.
 
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Per §790.001 Florida Statutes said:
Well, I think this requires another look;

790.001

(2) “Concealed firearm” means any firearm, as defined in subsection (6),
which is carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the
firearm from the ordinary sight of another person.

(6) “Firearm” means any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, is
designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of
an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler
or firearm silencer; any destructive device; or any machine gun.

Seems clear to me ...

Am I missing something?
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anyone know if a company can rent a venue and exercise a power that the owners(city of jax) doesnt possess
 
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Eric has been working with the Jax city attorney on this one. The website now says:

Illegal weapons or anything that could be construed as a weapon
 
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Rich7553 said:
Go figure. How about "no illegally carried weapons or firearms". Or maybe just "no crime". Yeah, that ought to cover it!
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HandyHamlet said:
Who on earth would willingly subject themselves to this nonsense?
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Summerfest, state fair, sports games...
Not that it prevents people being attacked at any of those places, of course.

On another note, please use the 'report spam' button on our new friend.
ALL of his posts are similar nonsense with a link to a sales page.
 
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Ironside said:
Well, I think this requires another look;

790.001

(2) “Concealed firearm” means any firearm, as defined in subsection (6),
which is carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the
firearm from the ordinary sight of another person.

(6) “Firearm” means any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, is
designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of
an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler
or firearm silencer; any destructive device; or any machine gun.

Seems clear to me ...

Am I missing something?
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Interesting, considering Florida issues a "Concealed Weapons or Firearm License" to carry a pistol. If a firearm is a weapon, then why the redundancy? Wouldn't it simply be a "Concealed Weapons License?"

There seems to be a distinction here as well:
http://app1.licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/firearms/prequal_questions.aspx

"3. Do you desire a legal means to carry a concealed weapon or firearm for lawful self-defense?"


Just sayin'....
 
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