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    Man ordered to surrender guns just for blogging!

    An Arizona man has filed a federal lawsuit against some of the state's top judges, claiming they're taking away his freedom of speech and right to own firearms, all because someone didn't like what he wrote on his blog.

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=349713#ixzz1ZRvsT5b3
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    An Arizona man has filed a federal lawsuit against some of the state's top judges, claiming they're taking away his freedom of speech and right to own firearms, all because someone didn't like what he wrote on his blog.

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=349713#ixzz1ZRvsT5b3
    'Sounds like a nut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    'Sounds like a nut.
    who's rights were violated.
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    Read more: Man ordered to surrender guns just for blogging! http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=349713#ixzz1ZVYNPV4f

    Yeah, he's really keeping that on the DL.

    But yep, something is amiss in the Hall of Justice.
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    I suppose that is what ya'll in Arizona get when you let them Kalifornicators in
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    As for the Winslow case: "Winslow told Karen Slaughter, the elected justice of the peace for the region, what he wanted was that Roth and others with similar views "not be allowed to walk around armed. To me, I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but I have been diagnosed with PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder) ... that's what I'm concerned with, that he's gonna get so far into my personal space that I'm gonna react without thinking. I'm not making threats or anything like that. I'm not proud of that, but it's the way I am."

    Gee, ****, er, pal, I'm sorry you are the way you are. Your having PTSD, however, is absolutely ZERO excuse to try and solve your problem by changing everyone else's behavior. If YOU have PTSD, you need to change YOUR behavior.

    That we now have a judge pulling the same sort of crap is absolutely ridiculous. I can't help but wonder if these closet Bradys are on a vendetta against Arizona's Constitutional Carry or Chief Black's ruling a year or two ago.

    When a judge engages in such abhorrent abuse of his office, he deserves to be thrown out of his office by the most expedient legal means available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    As for the Winslow case: "Winslow told Karen Slaughter, the elected justice of the peace for the region, what he wanted was that Roth and others with similar views "not be allowed to walk around armed. To me, I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but I have been diagnosed with PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder) ... that's what I'm concerned with, that he's gonna get so far into my personal space that I'm gonna react without thinking. I'm not making threats or anything like that. I'm not proud of that, but it's the way I am."

    Gee, ****, er, pal, I'm sorry you are the way you are. Your having PTSD, however, is absolutely ZERO excuse to try and solve your problem by changing everyone else's behavior. If YOU have PTSD, you need to change YOUR behavior.

    Yeah, I LOL'ed at that too. Not only are anti's wanting to disarm us because our guns "scare" them, apparently there are anti's out there who want to disarm us because of what they're afraid they, themselves, would do to us. And here we are not doing a damn thing wrong...
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    Isn't a part of being insane is the belief that everyone around you is wrong and needs to change their ways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    Isn't a part of being insane is the belief that everyone around you is wrong and needs to change their ways?
    Except when it's true. Kinda like paranoia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixtow View Post
    Except when it's true. Kinda like paranoia...
    Are you saying that it's true everyone should disarm out of great of some 80 year old vet?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    Are you saying that it's true everyone should disarm out of great of some 80 year old vet?
    No, I'm saying that the "everyone else is doing it" argument isn't sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    Freedom of speech is free only until it imposes on the freedom of another American.
    Please, explain how speech can impose upon another's liberty.
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    "He even went so far as to post links to her place of work and other personal information about her whereabouts and actions. Under AZ law, that is enough proof of harassment. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    "He even went so far as to post links to her place of work and other personal information about her whereabouts and actions. Under AZ law, that is enough proof of harassment. "
    Sounds like a ****** law unless that information was obtained through illegal means. I don't see evidence of her rights being violated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    Sounds like a ****** law unless that information was obtained through illegal means. I don't see evidence of her rights being violated.
    +1 Might make the guy an A-hole but doesn't sound illegal if done within publicly accessed methods.

    Milpro..Free speech is one of those natural rights that can hardly ever be construed as infringing on someone else's rights. It's one the founders almost didn't include in the Bill of rights because they thought it too obvious. I may disagree with your opinion even if you were to go on a racist, homophobic, paranoid, conspiracy rant. I simply can choose not to listen to you anymore. The government though has intruded onto this freedom and has even convicted people for publishing opinions they disagree with.
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    I don't get this at all.

    The guy wasn't threatening anyone. He was discussing spiritual matters on his blog, which he has every right to do.

    And as for the judge, he isn't allowed to pull someone else's gun permit simply because he's scared of his own PTSD and is afraid he won't be able to control himself.

    I hope this lawsuit goes well and that folks will learn from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    Please, explain how speech can impose upon another's liberty.
    You're ******** us, right?

    Fugh..
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    You're ******** us, right?

    Fugh..
    Please explain how it can?

    In maybe some very limited circumstances but it is a very hard thing to construe "speech" as infringing on someone else's liberty.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    You're ******** us, right?

    Fugh..
    I can say anything I like and it will not stop you from doing anything unless you choose to change your behavior. But that is not my speech infringing that is your choice. Do you have anything better than inane questions laced with nonsensical typing?
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    I can say anything I like and it will not stop you from doing anything unless you choose to change your behavior. But that is not my speech infringing that is your choice. Do you have anything better than inane questions laced with nonsensical typing?
    He put me on ignore I guess he didn't like my "speech".

    Well put. Daylen I agree with you more than not, you really should vote RP......
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Please explain how it can?

    In maybe some very limited circumstances but it is a very hard thing to construe "speech" as infringing on someone else's liberty.
    Really? When the Brady Bunch exercise their free speech, they convince a lot of dunderheads into voting people into office who support gun control. Those people, in turn, pass anti-gun laws which infringe on our liberty, despite the fact that our Second Amendment clearly says they shall not.

    Regardless, I'd much rather have free speech than controlled speech. The solution isn't controlling speech. The solution is educating people with the truth instead of rhetoric. Problem is, there are a lot of anti-gunners in education these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Really? When the Brady Bunch exercise their free speech, they convince a lot of dunderheads into voting people into office who support gun control. Those people, in turn, pass anti-gun laws which infringe on our liberty, despite the fact that our Second Amendment clearly says they shall not.

    Regardless, I'd much rather have free speech than controlled speech. The solution isn't controlling speech. The solution is educating people with the truth instead of rhetoric. Problem is, there are a lot of anti-gunners in education these days.
    I couldn't agree with you more that speech can lead to actions that infringe but that feel speech itself does not.

    Agree wholeheartedly with second paragraph. Not only is education full of anti gunners, it is full of socialist, history propaganda, and lacking in real life skills. But Hey I have done my part a little by picking up kids in the past at school on my motorcycle OCing to cheering kids. They thought it was very cool. They are right it was cool.
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    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
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