cmdr_iceman71
Regular Member
OCed 10.2 miles through Detroit and Highland Park this afternoon. I was stopped by DPD on Pontchatrain and 7 mile and ticketed for riding a bicycle without a license.
listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fubq7KDD0-c
The LEO in question stated he didn’t want to ticket me for the bicycle license violation: “I could care less about you riding a bicycle.” But he did so in retaliation because I refused to answer his initial question about “Why do I feel the need to open carry two guns?” followed by a refusal disclose whether I had a valid CPL. He became frustrated because I kept answering his questions with a question of my own, it quickly became a circular conversation. He had to cite me for the bicycle violation in order to force my hand in identifying myself.
Yes, I have audio of the entire stop although there is a very long period of silence because I stopped talking. After handing over my I.D. I heard him mumble some kind of response in answering his question to me. He got it wrong, at which point I politely asking the LEO to stop putting words in my mouth. He sarcastically stated he wouldn’t ask me anymore questions. I then remained silent for the remainder of the stop.
They fumbled around making various calls as well as combing through a well used pamphlet of code violations so as to find the exact code violation for my offense. I also have to bleep out my name so the audio isn’t ready just yet. Surprisingly enough, they said absolutely nothing about the body armor.
Admittedly the LEOs approached in a friendly manner so as to engage me in casual conversation. But given that this was my 12th stop, I’m too seasoned now to fall for that trick. However, the LEO’s demeanor soured when I politely explained to him that “My right to keep and bear arms is my God given right and is beyond your scope.” I asked him was I being detained and he said “No” but when I asked him whether I was free to go he said “No” and kept insisting that I answer his questions.
I refused to disclose whether I had a CPL and explained to him that I didn’t need one to OC. He became very agitated and vocally regretted his “soft shoe” approach saying that perhaps if he had approached me being an A-hole he would’ve gotten better results. He said “I’m going to ask you one more time, then we‘re going to have to do this the hard way.”
They took my guns for officer safety at first then later on in the stop the primary LEO took them inside the squad car and ran the serial numbers. You will hear me on tape saying I do not consent to any search or seizure of my property as they were disarming me.
Bottom line the LEOs in question thought they had a right to my most inner and private thoughts on the 2nd Amendment as to the reasons “why I carry two guns openly” They thought my privacy of mind could be purchased for a mere $55 ( I think that’s the price for the fine) so as to avoid a ticket. I held my ground until they nicked me on the bicycle license violation. Again, this is why I consider some of them nothing more that thugs with a badge.
Also I think this may go to buttress the argument that a bicycle is considered a vehicle…. The LEO writing the ticket asked his partner “This goes under moving violations right?” And his partner replied “Yes.” And the primary LEO kept pushing the people at dispatch to find out whether I had a CPL, I think he was going to try and charge me with a CCW violation if I didn’t have a CPL.
I then rode right down the street to go inside the 12th Precinct to actually acquire the bicycle license but I was met at the door my two LEOs with their hands on their hips and a metal detector and a sign saying no weapons. One LEO said “What do you think you’re doing?” I replied “A police station is not a pistol free zone.” He said something but I had already turned away and was walking back to my bicycle. I had already had enough trouble for the day. Besides with it being Sunday they probably weren’t issuing bicycle licenses anyway.
listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fubq7KDD0-c
The LEO in question stated he didn’t want to ticket me for the bicycle license violation: “I could care less about you riding a bicycle.” But he did so in retaliation because I refused to answer his initial question about “Why do I feel the need to open carry two guns?” followed by a refusal disclose whether I had a valid CPL. He became frustrated because I kept answering his questions with a question of my own, it quickly became a circular conversation. He had to cite me for the bicycle violation in order to force my hand in identifying myself.
Yes, I have audio of the entire stop although there is a very long period of silence because I stopped talking. After handing over my I.D. I heard him mumble some kind of response in answering his question to me. He got it wrong, at which point I politely asking the LEO to stop putting words in my mouth. He sarcastically stated he wouldn’t ask me anymore questions. I then remained silent for the remainder of the stop.
They fumbled around making various calls as well as combing through a well used pamphlet of code violations so as to find the exact code violation for my offense. I also have to bleep out my name so the audio isn’t ready just yet. Surprisingly enough, they said absolutely nothing about the body armor.
Admittedly the LEOs approached in a friendly manner so as to engage me in casual conversation. But given that this was my 12th stop, I’m too seasoned now to fall for that trick. However, the LEO’s demeanor soured when I politely explained to him that “My right to keep and bear arms is my God given right and is beyond your scope.” I asked him was I being detained and he said “No” but when I asked him whether I was free to go he said “No” and kept insisting that I answer his questions.
I refused to disclose whether I had a CPL and explained to him that I didn’t need one to OC. He became very agitated and vocally regretted his “soft shoe” approach saying that perhaps if he had approached me being an A-hole he would’ve gotten better results. He said “I’m going to ask you one more time, then we‘re going to have to do this the hard way.”
They took my guns for officer safety at first then later on in the stop the primary LEO took them inside the squad car and ran the serial numbers. You will hear me on tape saying I do not consent to any search or seizure of my property as they were disarming me.
Bottom line the LEOs in question thought they had a right to my most inner and private thoughts on the 2nd Amendment as to the reasons “why I carry two guns openly” They thought my privacy of mind could be purchased for a mere $55 ( I think that’s the price for the fine) so as to avoid a ticket. I held my ground until they nicked me on the bicycle license violation. Again, this is why I consider some of them nothing more that thugs with a badge.
Also I think this may go to buttress the argument that a bicycle is considered a vehicle…. The LEO writing the ticket asked his partner “This goes under moving violations right?” And his partner replied “Yes.” And the primary LEO kept pushing the people at dispatch to find out whether I had a CPL, I think he was going to try and charge me with a CCW violation if I didn’t have a CPL.
I then rode right down the street to go inside the 12th Precinct to actually acquire the bicycle license but I was met at the door my two LEOs with their hands on their hips and a metal detector and a sign saying no weapons. One LEO said “What do you think you’re doing?” I replied “A police station is not a pistol free zone.” He said something but I had already turned away and was walking back to my bicycle. I had already had enough trouble for the day. Besides with it being Sunday they probably weren’t issuing bicycle licenses anyway.
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