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Dos and don't of open carry article

Bronson

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Stainless, most community colleges are going to have counselors who's job entails helping you find a program that you will stick with. They want you in class and they will help you find something. Take the first step and make an appointment to speak with a career counselor.

http://www.waterford.k12.mi.us/careers/services.htm

The services provided by the Waterford Career Center are provided at no cost to the Employer or Job Seeker.

To facilitate your job search the Career Center provides computers, internet access, phones are provided for business calls, a copier and a fax machine.

Career Management Assistance is available. Our employment technicians will meet with you privately to discuss your career direction. Appointment for this service will be required.

Resume Assistance: Our service ensures that resumes are professionally written and customized to meet each individual's needs.

Training Funds: One-stop access to training funds are available to qualifying job seekers. Tuition assistance is available through a number of vocational schools, colleges and training institutions to assist you in upgrading or gaining new skills.

Job Readiness/Job Search Workshops are held as needed.

Testing and Assessment Services are available by appointment. The Career Scope, an interest and aptitude test, is provided without an appointment. The test takes 1 hour and 15 minutes and will not be given after 3:30 p.m.

http://www.oakland.edu/sehs/cc

The SEHS Counseling Center is a no cost service offering personal and career counseling. We are located on the campus of Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan. The SEHS Counseling Center is a teaching and research facility for the Counselor Education program at Oakland University. The SEHS Counseling Center enables graduate students to integrate and apply counseling theory with practice, as well as provide supervised professional counseling assistance to persons in need at no cost.

http://www.oakgov.com/exec/initiatives/apprenticeships.html

http://www.oakgov.com/foc/info_pub/dircounseling.html

Even though you get a lot of crap from the people on these boards I don't think there is a single person that wouldn't like to see you succeed. There are services available to help you achieve success but you have to make the first step...you can get this done.

Bronson
 
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Oh dear, who could argue with a man with these credentials...Suarez International Specialist and Tier One Instructor....International and a Tier 1 instructor no less....Tier 1!.

Tier 1 is an actual designation for goverment contractors, usually reserved for security providers. Companies such as Blackwater, TriCON, Triple Canopy and Armor Group. If he is a Tier 1 guy he would almost certainly be from the SF communtity, SEALS, Ranger, Green Berets or a foriegn equivilent. However he states he is a Tier 1 instructor, so his "status" is in question. I didn't do any back ground on him so I can't say for certain what his qualifications are. I just wanted to say that Tier 1 is actaully a pretty high speed designation.
 
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I can not believe the kindness demonstrated on this thread to a guy (stainless) who was hurting.

It literally brings a tear to my eye.

I'm lucky in that I have a great partner who believes in me.

You guys must be slipping (kidding).
 

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Tier 1 is an actual designation for goverment contractors, usually reserved for security providers. Companies such as Blackwater, TriCON, Triple Canopy and Armor Group. If he is a Tier 1 guy he would almost certainly be from the SF communtity, SEALS, Ranger, Green Berets or a foriegn equivilent. However he states he is a Tier 1 instructor, so his "status" is in question. I didn't do any back ground on him so I can't say for certain what his qualifications are. I just wanted to say that Tier 1 is actaully a pretty high speed designation.

And.....I don't care.

He lost me when he said he didn't care about politics and was only concerned with himself. Sorry, but the world is full of selfish people, what we need are more people that do things to make political statements, especially for gun rights.
 
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Sometimes it just takes one person to believe in you. When I went back to complete the last 4 classes at an Adult High School at 23 yo, I felt like a failure and soon that took over and I stopped going to classes. My Creative Writing Teacher liked what she saw of my writings and took it upon herself to arrange that if I came back and didn't miss any classes that I could pass (had A,A,A,C+ when I stopped going). Because of her believing in me, I aced everything for the second card marking and brought up the C+ to an A- (I looked her up years later to thank her, she was not surprised in the least how far I had come). There are people here on OCDO that would encourage you to take that first step "out there", even dougwg has done so.

As to "where to go", that will really get decided along with way - just moving forward is the important part. When told I could probably get my college paid for if I selected a MAJOR, I looked at all these little check boxes with possible selections and said "what do I want to do with the rest of my life?" (a daunting task!). Since I played with computers when I was younger (Commodore PET/CBM, No Hard Drive, No Floppy, Tape Cassette Drive, OS burned into EEPROMS), I decided that Computer Information Systems Degree was as good as any other selection (who would have knew it worked out so well!). BTW - I use little to no math in my daily work, nothing that Microsoft Excel cannot provide with a few simple equations (write once, use many).

As much as it may surprise you, we are in similar situations currently just how we got here and the choices facing us is different (I have "platinum plated" problems). I have raised my children to adulthood, I have achieved 95% of my Life's Goals, and Very Successful in my Career all at 45 yo. My current role, which I am "built for" has become boring to some degree and I can do it in my sleep (but is highly valued by my company). My current employer is BEGGING me to get my passport so I can go overseas and work out some New Solution Offerings to sell. I have thought about staying within my current company and going to lead an R&D Department or going back to Product Development which is were I started out in computing (started in Wireless Messaging and Embedded Type). I have had some possibilities to be involved in company leadership outside my current employer. I have a few patents that I would like to "chase down", one of which is VERY Promising. I have yet to move forward with any of those - still stuck in FEAR right now, but have started to move forward even though I do not where I will end up. It could be quite a lot I give up, especially if overseas and NO FIREARM RIGHTS. I do have a little more FAITH today that "it will all work out".

Keep going, it will work out for you too...

Very inspiring! Seems that you are the product of a hand up instead of a hand out.

The hand out appears to be stainless1911's greatest hindrance.

Stainless1911 would be greatly served by having a mentor like yourself taking him under your wing. He seems to like you also. Hence he may heed your advice more so that that of others that have tried before you.
 

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It certainly is a two edged sword. A life jacket, but no life boat.

This is a perfect case and point to why socialism is wrong.

Gotta step out, man! Peter did it, so can you.

With your passion, focused, you could do almost anything. Get out of the boat!
 

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And.....I don't care.

He lost me when he said he didn't care about politics and was only concerned with himself. Sorry, but the world is full of selfish people, what we need are more people that do things to make political statements, especially for gun rights.


And......I agree. I was just trying to give some credence to the "tier 1" statement. His lack of concern of politics, and others is a bit selfish, I agree. But not entirely wrong. Heres a situation, a hypothetical.

Its around noon, and I am coming home from a amusement park, I stop for gas in an area I have never been. I am in the back of the gas station looking for something to drink, when loud yell "give me the money!!" goes out. Looking toward the front of the store I see 1 person behind the register with hands up 1 large person with a knife between me and the clerk.

I am armed and alone, with a 9mm caliber gun. I know what I would do. But if I had my daughter with me what I would do is completely diffrent. So I get his selfish attitude.
 

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And......I agree. I was just trying to give some credence to the "tier 1" statement. His lack of concern of politics, and others is a bit selfish, I agree. But not entirely wrong. Heres a situation, a hypothetical.

Its around noon, and I am coming home from a amusement park, I stop for gas in an area I have never been. I am in the back of the gas station looking for something to drink, when loud yell "give me the money!!" goes out. Looking toward the front of the store I see 1 person behind the register with hands up 1 large person with a knife between me and the clerk.

I am armed and alone, with a 9mm caliber gun. I know what I would do. But if I had my daughter with me what I would do is completely diffrent. So I get his selfish attitude.

He could be political for the 2A without risking his life. He could understand what OC is and does for gun rights. Now, how one ones to carry is up to them, but choosing one practice over the other shouldn't lead to condemning the other.

I guess I'm growing weary of so many gun owners that don't have a clue about the 2A. What's worse are the gun owners who claim they support the 2A, but really only care about hunting or target shooting.
 

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He could be political for the 2A without risking his life. He could understand what OC is and does for gun rights. Now, how one ones to carry is up to them, but choosing one practice over the other shouldn't lead to condemning the other.

I guess I'm growing weary of so many gun owners that don't have a clue about the 2A. What's worse are the gun owners who claim they support the 2A, but really only care about hunting or target shooting.

Agreed. Personal opinions are just that. There are a lot of anti-gun gun owners.
 
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Really. Disregarding hunting and target shooting really just takes all the fun out of it. I mean, whats left? Politics, open carriers because we are the only ones really doing anything for 2A, and arguing on the forums. You have your guns, get them dirty once in a while.
 

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Really. Disregarding hunting and target shooting really just takes all the fun out of it. I mean, whats left? Politics, open carriers because we are the only ones really doing anything for 2A, and arguing on the forums. You have your guns, get them dirty once in a while.

Where did I say I disregarded anything? Embrace all of it, not just pick and choose. THE primary reason for the 2A was to protect against enemies both domestic and foreign, not hunting and target shooting.
 

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Stainless, you've got to start somewhere. I made some very bad choices in my youth that nearly derailed my life permanently.None of us here are perfect. I'll tell you this, working at McDonalds was one of my favorite jobs. Working all the different stations, interacting with your coworkers and customers...not mind numbing at all. Putting a bolt into a hole for 9 hours straight is mind numbing(I know, I've done it). Plus where do you think all the managers of those stores come from? They promote from within...quickly. Running a business, managing people is not mind numbing. Bonus...no college needed. Another avenue, sales. There is not a field for non-college educated persons more lucrative than sales. Sell the right thing well enough and you can be a millionaire. I sell ladies shoes and I make a very, very good living...working roughly 37 hours a week. Though I started out working at Thom McAn at 19, it takes perserverance to reach your goals. Don't let your lack of college keep you down, it sure as hell didn't hurt me.
 

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Hadn't thought of sales...

Im looking into gunsmithing, but it seems to be a little difficult to get into. I haven't been able to find anything local, seems the best school is in Colorado. Also, Ive heard you need trig and calculous? That might be an issue. Im going to go talk to an old timer gunsmith I know, and ask him. He is old, looks like santa clause lol, but I like the guy. Im also going to take a trip down to Williams and see what thier gunsmiths have to say about the field.
 
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What I found out, was that the area I was in was part of the Holly Game Unit, and Holly recreation Area.
The CO told me that if it were up north, on state land, that it wouldnt be an issue at all.

I should have been more specific.

Seems that the only places open to target shooting are up north, wherever that is.

What would be the closest place to northern Oakland County?

I want to take a pistol course, if I come into a couple hundred bucks I would. I have to nickel and dime everything I do.

I suggest you go to the library and look at an Oakland Co. plat book. Look for small areas of state land. Include MDOT land as well (They own a lot around roadways, etc. that may be large enough to shoot in (Beware local ordinances). I looked at a plat I have on-line and it seems all the large state lands are recreation areas, but there may be small plots here and there you might be able to target practice on.

The other option is to make contact with friends or relatives that own or may know someone that owns some farm land where you could target shoot at. I bet you know someone that knows someone, be resourceful.
 

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I heard you're a gunsmith, how does it work?

I was on another gun forum and a young man that was an armorer in the Army was asking for advice from the gunsmiths on the site where the best gunsmithing school was. One of the gunsmiths gave a good little piece of advice. Get a chunk of tool steel, a scale divided into 100ths of inch, a hacksaw, and some files. Using only those tools make a perfect 1"x1"x1"cube of steel. If after doing that you still want to be a gunsmith then go for it. It sounds silly but the other smiths on the site agreed with him. I have a couple of friends that are blade smiths. When somebody asks these guys to teach them how to make a knife they start by having the person make a knife from an old file. If after that the person is still interested in learning how to make a knife they'll teach him more.

Don't give up on the math. I'm no math genius but I HATED math until I finally had some good instructors in college. The right instructors can make a world of difference.

Bronson
 

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From what I gather, you're not even allowed to be on MDOT land, much less hunt. I couldnt find anything about target shooting.

As far as a plat map, this is the first I heard of the term, and the only one I found was from 18 something.
 
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