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    Pittsburgh City Council opposes federal bill on concealed handguns

    City Council opposes federal bill on concealed handguns
    Tuesday, October 04, 2011
    By Joe Smydo, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    Pittsburgh City Council today passed a resolution opposing a federal bill that would require states to honor each others' concealed handgun laws.

    Pennsylvania already has reciprocity agreements with 25 states that have concealed-handgun laws comparable to its own.

    However, Congress is considering legislation that would require all states to recognize each others laws, regardless of how standards differ across the country.

    Council's resolution opposes the bill and calls on Pennsylvania's congressional delegation to vote against it.

    Council members said laws in some other states are weaker than those in Pennsylvania, meaning the state would be forced to recognize permit-holders who wouldn't qualify for a permit here. They also are concerned the federal bill would undercut states' rights and put police officers at risk.

    "It's absolutely absurd that this could become federal law," Councilman Bruce Kraus said.
    Joe Smydo: jsmydo@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1548.

    First published on October 4, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11277...#ixzz1ZrCzmUgT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmer Troy View Post
    City Council opposes federal bill on concealed handguns
    Tuesday, October 04, 2011
    By Joe Smydo, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    Pittsburgh City Council today passed a resolution opposing a federal bill that would require states to honor each others' concealed handgun laws.

    Pennsylvania already has reciprocity agreements with 25 states that have concealed-handgun laws comparable to its own.

    However, Congress is considering legislation that would require all states to recognize each others laws, regardless of how standards differ across the country.

    Council's resolution opposes the bill and calls on Pennsylvania's congressional delegation to vote against it.

    Council members said laws in some other states are weaker than those in Pennsylvania, meaning the state would be forced to recognize permit-holders who wouldn't qualify for a permit here. They also are concerned the federal bill would undercut states' rights and put police officers at risk.

    "It's absolutely absurd that this could become federal law," Councilman Bruce Kraus said.
    Joe Smydo: jsmydo@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1548.

    First published on October 4, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11277...#ixzz1ZrCzmUgT
    Pennsylvania recognizes my North Dakota non-resident class 2 permit which requires no training and the min age is 18. The only requirement was an open book exam and finger printing. It's not like Pennsylvania is insanely strict like lets say Minnesota.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmer Troy View Post
    City Council opposes federal bill on concealed handguns
    Tuesday, October 04, 2011
    By Joe Smydo, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    Pittsburgh City Council today passed a resolution opposing a federal bill that would require states to honor each others' concealed handgun laws.

    Pennsylvania already has reciprocity agreements with 25 states that have concealed-handgun laws comparable to its own.

    However, Congress is considering legislation that would require all states to recognize each others laws, regardless of how standards differ across the country.

    Council's resolution opposes the bill and calls on Pennsylvania's congressional delegation to vote against it.

    Council members said laws in some other states are weaker than those in Pennsylvania, meaning the state would be forced to recognize permit-holders who wouldn't qualify for a permit here. They also are concerned the federal bill would undercut states' rights and put police officers at risk.

    "It's absolutely absurd that this could become federal law," Councilman Bruce Kraus said.
    Joe Smydo: jsmydo@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1548.

    First published on October 4, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11277...#ixzz1ZrCzmUgT
    I'm so tired of hearing states rights. The Second Amendment is a right that is bound to the states via the 14 Amendment... therefore, it's NOT a state's rights issue.

    Did Pittsburgh make the same argument against LEOSA????? Did Pittsburgh make the same arguement to repeal the NFA and the GCA????

    Somehow I don't think they ever will.

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    To the Pittsburgh Council - but PA probably has the weakest requirements for a license across the nation. So your argument really doesn't hold much water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight0334 View Post
    To the Pittsburgh Council - but PA probably has the weakest requirements for a license across the nation. So your argument really doesn't hold much water.
    Well, no actually, the states that have the weakest requirements for CC permits tend to be the states with the most egregiously restrictive issuance policies.

    Maryland, for instance, has NO training requirement and NO range qualification for an "unrestricted" permit. The only real requirements seem to be that you are well-connected, and wealthy. (permits for job-related carry, however, DO have training and range qualification requirements...)

    The only difficult requirement to meet in MD to get a permit seems to be that you have to donate at least 5 digits to the governor's re-election campaign, or that you are an elected official who is vehemently anti-2A (like Congresswoman Babs Mikulski, or State Rep Brian Frosh, BOTH of whom have MD permits)

    The funny thing is, in the MD General Assembly for the last 3 years, when Reciprocity bills came up in Committee, the MD State Police testified against it, saying that MD's permitting process was SOOOO much more strict and stringent than their neighboring states, and the MSP's investigative process was SOOO much more comprehensive, that they couldn't trust anyone with a permit from VA, WV, PA,or DE do meet MD "requirements" for unrestricted carry--despite the fact that all of their neighboring states have training requirements that FAR exceed MD's, and DESPITE the fact that EVERY single violent crime committed by a person legally permitted to CC in MD in the last 5 years was committed by an LEO, a State's Attorney, or an Officer of the Court...

    At least for PA, you have to have proof of some sort of classroom time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    At least for PA, you have to have proof of some sort of classroom time...
    Would you care to back up that statement with a cite from Pennsylvania's Uniform Firearms Act?

    THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR TRAINING IN ORDER TO GET A PENNSYLVANIA LICENSE TO CARRY FIREARMS !!!

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    What's most goofy is what is not reported. I.e., that PA law ACCEPTS ALL state permits for purposes of carrying loaded handguns inside vehicles.

    Yes, I said ALL.

    So all the fdederal bill would do is extend PA car carry law to on foot. But even then, except for Philadelphia, no permit is needed to open carry on foot in PA.

    So really, as applied to PA, the federal bill means very little more than the status quo PA law!

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    For concealed carry on foot, Pennsylvania already recognizes licenses/permits issued by 24 states. Whether they recognize Pennsylvania's LTCF is a separate issue.

    With "federal" recognition, the number would double.

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    Obviously..., Pittsburgh does NOT Understand Pennsylvania Law 18 Pa.C.S. 6120 either.

    A Resolution in Conflict with Pennsylvania Law 18 Pa.C.S. 6120, does, in Fact, Violate that Law as well.

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    More Pittsburgh BS.

    How would they feel if we all just OC'ed in the city?
    I already do, but if all 'Burgh gun owners did they would really go nuts. lol

    They can shove their "opinion" and the 25 cents for 5 minutes at the parking meters!

    This city is starting to really bug the hell out of me.
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