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    Did I read this right, off duty LEO borrows store a gun to stop a robbery?

    http://www.beloitdailynews.com/news/local/news-in-brief/article_4a3772ee-ef69-11e0-b7c2-001cc4c03286.html

    Three men face murder chargesROCKFORD - Three Rockford men accused of being involved in an attempted robbery of a restaurant Saturday where a teenager was shot and killed by an off-duty sheriff's deputy, have been charged with murder.
    Brandon Lewis Sago, 22, Desmond Lamar Bellmon, 23 and Lamar Okeita Coates, 23, face charges of first degree homicide, attempted first degree homicide, armed robbery and attempted armed robbery. The charges were announced by Winnebago County State's Attorney Joe Bruscato Tuesday.
    Michael D. Sago, 16, was shot and killed Saturday by off-duty deputy Frank Pobjecky, 29. He was in Marie's Pizza, 1513 Charles St., Rockford, when Michael Sago and the three other subjects reportedly tried to rob the business. Pobjecky used a gun in the store to shoot all four subjects.

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    Either that or he used his firearm that was on him inside the store...
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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, this has got my wheels turning; gun rental here, for while you visit, if you dont have one with you..................wondering how much i should charge (?)

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    Nope. He used a gun in the store... Clear as day.

    It's a pizza joint. They probably had a few pistols on the counters. They use them for paper weights to keep the tickets organized. It's an old Italian/Chicago restaurant trick.
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    The guns are there to settle disputes over what kind of crust to order.

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    One of our IllinoisCarry members posted that his "source" stated it was a Desert Eagle pistol belonging to the joints owner!

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    The bad guys are charged with homicide...in the death of the fourth guy? And all four were shot by the deputy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBomba View Post
    The bad guys are charged with homicide...in the death of the fourth guy? And all four were shot by the deputy?
    In some states... if anyone is killed in the commission of a crime while armed, by whatever party, the perpetrators are charged with homicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBomba View Post
    The bad guys are charged with homicide...in the death of the fourth guy? And all four were shot by the deputy?
    Correct. In many states if you commit a crime or are in the act of committing a crime, and someone defensibly and justifiably shoots any of you or the other perpetrators, you/and or the "accomplices" are charged with homicide if anyone dies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    In some states... if anyone is killed in the commission of a crime while armed, by whatever party, the perpetrators are charged with homicide.
    Ah! Thanks, you unconfused me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwguy11 View Post
    Correct. In many states if you commit a crime or are in the act of committing a crime, and someone defensibly and justifiably shoots any of you or the other perpetrators, you/and or the "accomplices" are charged with homicide if anyone dies.
    Thanks!

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    chances are that cop had eaten there a lot, new the owner had a gun under the counter, etc...
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    From the Rockford Register Star, a bit more detail:


    "Pobjecky happened to be visiting with friend Vincenzo Tarara, whose parents own the carryout restaurant. The assailants allegedly stormed the business and pointed a handgun at Tarara.

    Tarara, according to initial reports, was armed with a handgun."

    This occurred in Illinois....I hope the restaurant owner doesn't get hassled for illegal carry.


    3 Rockford men charged with murder in pizzeria shooting

    By Jeff Kolkey
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    Posted Oct 04, 2011 @ 02:08 PM
    Last update Oct 04, 2011 @ 10:08 PM


    Read Jeff Kolkey's tweets from the news conference.

    ROCKFORD — Winnebago County State’s Attorney Joe Bruscato has charged the men who police said went with Michael D. Sago Jr. to rob Marie’s Pizza in the 16-year-old’s death.

    Sago was one of a group of four who were allegedly part of a botched armed robbery around 10:30 p.m. Saturday at the small pizza joint.

    Desmond Lamar Bellmon, 23, Brandon Lewis Sago, 22, and Lamar Okeita Coates, 23, face multiple counts of first-degree felony murder, attempted murder, armed robbery and attempted armed robbery, Bruscato said a news conference Tuesday afternoon.

    Police Chief Chet Epperson lamented the tragic turn of events. He said what happened at Marie’s Pizza and the swift charges should serve as a warning to would-be robbers in Rockford.

    “This was just a horrible incident that happened, and it’s got to stop in the city of Rockford,” said Epperson, adding that authorities are sending a message. “Your actions have consequences. And if you are going to rob in Rockford, we are going to build a case against you.”

    Off-duty Winnebago County Sheriff’s Deputy Frank Pobjecky, a U.S. Army veteran, allegedly thwarted the attempt to rob Marie’s Pizza, 1513 Charles St.

    Pobjecky happened to be visiting with friend Vincenzo Tarara, whose parents own the carryout restaurant. The assailants allegedly stormed the business and pointed a handgun at Tarara.

    Tarara, according to initial reports, was armed with a handgun.

    A desperate struggle for control of the weapons ensued.

    During the struggle, Pobjecky, 29, used Tarara’s weapon to shoot all four suspects. Sago was later declared dead at the scene. The others, including Sago’s cousin, Brandon Sago, and half brother, Coates, suffered nonlife-threatening gunshot wounds. Tarara and Pobjecky were not reported injured.

    It is unclear whether Pobjecky disarmed the assailants before opening fire. Authorities declined to describe the precise chain of events, concerned that such statements could result in pretrial publicity that would damage the defendants’ chances at a fair trial.

    During the news conference, authorities also declined to answer questions about which of the alleged assailants held the weapon, confirm how many weapons were present and how long it was between when they entered the restaurant and when shots were fired.

    What is known about what happened during the robbery is from initial police statements.

    Bruscato said although charges have been filed, the three men on Tuesday were still in the hospital recovering from gunshot wounds. He said their health was believed to be stable.

    A grand jury is expected to review the charges against the three men and to consider whether the deputy was justified to open fire. Bruscato declined to say when the grand jury would consider the matters because doing so would violate rules of grand jury secrecy.

    Sheriff Dick Meyers said Pobjecky is doing well given the circumstances. Meyers said the department stands in support of Pobjecky.

    As is standard procedure in shootings involving officers, Pobjecky was placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation and grand jury ruling.

    “It’s not an easy thing to take a life, and we have to understand that officers do have adverse effects to that, and we want to make sure we offer him the opportunities to address those issues,” Meyers said.

    Reach staff writer Jeff Kolkey at jkolkey@rrstar.com or 815-987-1374.

    Copyright 2011 Rockford Register Star. Some rights reserved

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    In Illinois you can carry open or concealed on your property or with permission of the owner. Don't step over your line

    As you know Chicago has different rules...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevepk View Post
    In Illinois you can carry open or concealed on your property or with permission of the owner. Don't step over your line
    Great, at least the pizzeria owner doesn't have that to contend with.

    And Chicago.......I gotta go over the line for Chicago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBomba
    From the Rockford Register Star, a bit more detail
    That looks like the whole article, & needs to be trimmed before one of the mods does it for you for violating copyright.

    Police Chief Chet Epperson lamented the tragic turn of events. He said what happened at Marie’s Pizza and the swift charges should serve as a warning to would-be robbers in Rockford.
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    "if you are going to rob in Rockford, we are going to build a case against you.”
    What an idiot. He really thinks that some vague threat of possible legal hassles IF they're caught after robbery/murder will stop someone from robbing or murdering?
    What might make them think twice is the fact that someone lawfully in the store was lawfully in possession of a pistol, & used it to stop all 4 attackers. If IL gun laws were more citizen-friendly, criminals would change their tune.

    During the struggle, Pobjecky, 29, used Tarara’s weapon to shoot all four suspects. Sago was later declared dead at the scene. The others, including Sago’s cousin, Brandon Sago, and half brother, Coates, suffered nonlife-threatening gunshot wounds. Tarara and Pobjecky were not reported injured.
    Good that all 4 were shot & stopped.
    Sort of unhappy that only one died... they did, after all, appear to be ready to kill.
    What a lovely family they have there. Visiting day should be fun.
    Good that the good guys weren't physically hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBomba View Post
    The bad guys are charged with homicide...in the death of the fourth guy? And all four were shot by the deputy?
    It's known as the Felony Murder Rule. Click here for a more detailed explanation.
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    Run the Video

    I'd like to see the surveillance video on this one.

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