You are now standing by the river..........
Thread: asked a policy question at work
I am a regular here, but because of the story I'm about to tell you, I hope you understand why I'm posting on a different account. (yes I'm aware admins/mods can tell who I am, but I'm worried about "anyone" who might view this forum publicly)
With the upcoming changes to wisconsin and the addition of CCW, I decided to ask at work what the company's policy would be regarding non-employees. My company already has a ban on employees carrying weapons, so it is what it is, but I wanted to know about people who come into the buildings and are NOT employees. Today, I was basically accused of being an unstable employee and that there is this concern that I "want to bring guns into work", because of the question I asked. Apparently all they heard was the word "gun" and they made up the rest in their heads. I explained the situation and clarified the misunderstanding. I again said I was simply trying to understand policy, and when I asked the question I was asked how that could possibly even be a concern and that I was crazy to think anyone would be carrying a gun around. They said I was silly if I actually thought someone might bring a gun into the buildings. They said that I have to be careful about asking such political questions because the impression was that I am possibly a "concern" and that there are questions about me now at work, and that they had to check with higher ups to see if any more "follow up" was needed.
After clarifying myself, the person I was talking to indicated they took care of it and smoothed over the misperception and clarified what it was I was asking. I've been told now that things are ok now and there is nothing to worry about and that things are all cleared up. But, now I'm sitting here and I have no idea what to even think. Now I'm actually scared I've somehow endangered my job because of asking a simple policy question...
Last edited by worriedatwork; 10-07-2011 at 03:47 PM.
You are now standing by the river..........
Last edited by McX; 10-08-2011 at 07:25 PM.
At work I have learned to not ask a question which I am not prepared to get the answer I do not want. If you ask enough questions, you will eventually get an answer you do not want.
A gun in a holster is better than one drawn and dispensing bullets. Concealed forces the latter. - ixtow
Hi, I'm hypercritical. But I mean no harm, I just like to try to look deeply at life
Its definately better to NOT ask for clarification for something thats NOT already down in writing or already a rule! Dont give anyone any info that can be used to create a future situation you may not want or may not be in your favor. Its better to ask for fogiveness than to ask for permission.
Most of the things we worry about never come to pass. And, you do have someone assuring you that it's all been cleared up.
Just the same, it never hurts to document what happened. In this case, I would consider writing down a detailed, dated account of what occurred today, just for your own records at home. The sooner you write it, the more credibility it will have. Make sure you capture what you were told about the matter being cleared up.
I'd also consider sending the person you spoke to an email along the lines of, "Thank you for letting me know that you spoke to [name] and [name] today and cleared up any misunderstanding about our earlier conversation. I really appreciate knowing it's not a problem." The email and any reply you receive should be printed out and kept at home. It should not in any way resurrect any of the problematic discussion.
Finally, it would probably be best to completely avoid the topic of guns and gun laws at work until the atmosphere is less charged.
From what you describe, it's really unfair that they treated you this way, my sympathies.
Where I work, a lot of us talk about firearms openly. I've looked at the employee handbook and there is no mention of a weapons policy. I hope they keep it that way.
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)
If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor
I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)
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Fight for "Stand Your Ground " legislation!
WI DA Gerald R. Fox:
"These so-called 'public safety' laws only put decent law-abiding citizens at a dangerous disadvantage when it comes to their personal safety, and I for one am glad that this decades-long era of defective thinking on gun issues is over..."
Remember: Don't make old People mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to piss us off.
If you have a few people on here that you can trust, it would be interesting to have them pose as customers, both cc & OC.
The purpose of all this isn't to protect your job, but to provide an evidence chain against false accusations. You might lose your job, but disproving the accusations would be essential to getting a new job.
ha, I work in the military. I always talk about the constitution and our founding fathers - I have been told I am border line treasonist/likely to defect. Why? for talking about freedom and the promises of the constitution to protect it. America is "not what it used to be!"
It's a sad day when talk of the constitution is viewed as "strange" and "concerning." I mean ****, we take an oath to support and defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic-WHAT DO YOU MEAN DOMESTIC!??!?! SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO START SOME TYPE OF VIOLENT REVOLUTION- that's what I've dealt with...
“The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
[Miller vs. U.S., 230 F. Supp. 486, 489 (1956)]
“There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights.”
[Sherar vs. Cullen, 481 F2d. 946 (1973)]
EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....
“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”
Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...
All power is inherent in the people,
it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!
Thanks everyone for the advice. The company is not a "general public" retail store or anything like that. You would only be there if you were already a customer or a vendor or something of that nature. I certainly appreciate the offers. I've gotten some good advice here I think and am going to just do the CYA stuff and then try to slip back into the shadows of a low profile and never mention any of this again. It seems some people hear the word "gun" and then immediately don't even listen to what you're actually saying or asking, and they just see you as some kind of lunatic or crazy person. Lesson learned for sure. Thanks all for helping again, I really appreciate it.
Because I am the one that sets policy! And carry is not only allowed, but encouraged at my establishment.
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LOL I knew what he meant, but it was worded a bit awkwardly.Originally Posted by Teej
Did bring an interesting mental picture of a skunk trying to manipulate a pistol...