California Gov. Enacts Ban on Open Handgun Carrying

DrTodd said:

Maybe this is a temporary setback that might actually be a GOOD thing. In a recent court decision, Peruta v County of San Diego, the judge ruled that California's may-issue concealed carry requirements were not a violation of the 2nd Amendment because people could always carry an unloaded pistol openly and load it if needed for defense. Now, with that possibility removed, I think the court may reconsider their decision. I haven't taken a look at the California sub-forum of OCDO today, but I'm sure there will be discussion as to how they will proceed. The original decision can be found here:
http://ia600406.us.archive.org/23/items/gov.uscourts.casd.308678/gov.uscourts.casd.308678.64.0.pdf

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smellslikemichigan said:

boy, i guess he banned those open carry guns just in time:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/shot-southern-california-beauty-salon-14723890

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Yance said:

Taken from the article. "It's a little disarming," she said. "This is such a quiet community. We don't expect things like this."

I remember another quote like this regarding the IHop shooting...funny how it happens where the antis believe no one needs a gun...And yet they still want to ban them. I just cant begin to comprehend how the antis and the brady campaign jokers can believe taking away everyones guns will make people safe. Mass shootings always seem to happen exactly where people, and even states, think no one will need a gun. When will these people open their eyes to the fact that if someone had one they could have saved maybe one life.

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Yance said:

Taken from the article. "It's a little disarming," she said. "This is such a quiet community. We don't expect things like this."

I remember another quote like this regarding the IHop shooting...funny how it happens where the antis believe no one needs a gun...And yet they still want to ban them. I just cant begin to comprehend how the antis and the brady campaign jokers can believe taking away everyones guns will make people safe. Mass shootings always seem to happen exactly where people, and even states, think no one will need a gun. When will these people open their eyes to the fact that if someone had one they could have saved maybe one life.

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Yance said:

Taken from the article. "It's a little disarming," she said. "This is such a quiet community. We don't expect things like this."

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PDinDetroit said:

Nice little bubble you live in, too bad it has been popped...

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Yance said:

its one of those things that makes me laugh and irritated at the same time. Places like California want to ban OC for the illusion of safety, states like IL you cant carry period for the same illusions. Restaurants like the IHop in carson city ban firearms, and everytime something happens its "never thought it would happen here its such a nice place" While prior to this the antis were saying "its such a nice place nothing will ever happen here" and yet no one wants to open their eyes and allow responsible citizens to carry for self protection when obviously the people need to protect themselves.

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PDinDetroit said:

What is encouraging though is that people firmly believe that good will come from this bad law AND people are not giving up.

California could very well go Shall Issue, which means that people could then carry for their self-protection - openly or concealed (there is a court case at the appellate level in California about May-Issue Laws that this law affects). There will very likely be a LGOC Movement that starts in California as this will soon be how they can provide for their self-defense since other methods have been made unlawful. If California subsequently bans LGOC, a court case could possible start that gets SCOTUS to rule on Firearm Carry Outside the Home.

Heck, this new law may not even stand up to the "Substantial Burden" Criteria that the US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals set-up in a recent Firearms Law Decision (IIRC May 2011).

http://www.altenhofel.com/blog/possible-ninth-circuit-win-gun-rights

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2011/05/02/07-15763.pdf

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xmanhockey7 said:

Actually they already closed that loop hole. Someone with a Cali CCW has no more right to OC a pistol than someone without it. This new law could change that but I don't think it does.

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eastmeyers said:

I could be wrong but what I think he was trying to convey is that, CALI would have to choose OC or CC once going shall issue, for the permit. Not the individual holding the permit. Could be wrong.

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Yance said:

You were correct, the gentleman you are referring to owned another business and saw the man shoot a patron outside the IHop but was too frightened to shoot.

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