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    Angry Army dad told to tear down new tree house

    After paying $1800 in permits and fees plus $1400 in building materials this Fairfax County father was told to tear down the new tree house that his kids helped him build.

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    It appears he didn't follow all of the rules regarding zoning. The sad part of the story is that it takes that much effort and money just to build a treehouse for your kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    It appears he didn't follow all of the rules regarding zoning. The sad part of the story is that it takes that much effort and money just to build a treehouse for your kids.
    The sadder part is that a man can't build one his private property because of socialist.
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    An anonymous complaint from a neighbour
    Someone needs to pull a stick out of their ass.

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    I could be wrong but I suspect the man just may have cause for an action against one or more of the agencies involved.

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    Everyone in Fairfax should start building tree houses on their property--without permits.

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    there are no grounds to act on a complaint if there is no name attached to the complaint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    It appears he didn't follow all of the rules regarding zoning. The sad part of the story is that it takes that much effort and money just to build a treehouse for your kids.
    It's probably not just zoning, but the covenants of the homeowners association or community. Developers include fairly stringent covenants these days in order to prevent a community from having to suffer cars parked or junked in the front yards, painting a house glaring pink, or other actions which reduce the property values of the surrounding homes and the developer's future business ventures.

    However, some governments are overly-exuberant about enforcing zoning regs in order to help protect covenants.

    $2,000 in permit fees? Blech! He should have built an underground shelter. "Fort? What fort?"
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    I have absolutely zero respect for building codes, zoning regulations, or building permits as they apply to private property. Tort law can and should be used to take care of careless or conniving ne'er-do-wells. Come on! A tree house?! I wouldn't have even asked or got a permit, then again, I live where no one would give a hoot; just the way I like it. If it's a HOA, then he agreed to certain terms and probably must abide by them, making it his own fault.
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    Thats such bullsh!t. I hope he leave's it up. And Add's a room on to the side of it.

    It's a tree house for his kids, leave it alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    I have absolutely zero respect for building codes, zoning regulations, or building permits as they apply to private property. Tort law can and should be used to take care of careless or conniving ne'er-do-wells. Come on! A tree house?! I wouldn't have even asked or got a permit, then again, I live where no one would give a hoot; just the way I like it. If it's a HOA, then he agreed to certain terms and probably must abide by them, making it his own fault.
    +1

    I don't always agree that because someone lives in an HOA though that he must live up to the terms. Property rights are property rights, and unless you can afford acreage, many have no choice but to buy into HOA's because of price. The majority of people living in HOA's don't like it, but are controlled by a minority, showing why "democracy" don't work. And most are set up in a manner that make them very difficult to get rid of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    +1

    I don't always agree that because someone lives in an HOA though that he must live up to the terms. Property rights are property rights, and unless you can afford acreage, many have no choice but to buy into HOA's because of price. The majority of people living in HOA's don't like it, but are controlled by a minority, showing why "democracy" don't work. And most are set up in a manner that make them very difficult to get rid of.
    I live in a condo with a HOA and I am not a huge fan. We have tons of rules. I understand ones like no loud parties after 11pm, not painting the outside, clean up after yourself, ect. But when you start getting to things like having to have white drapes showing to the outside it gets a little much. With my board we have 1 older lady who wants to control everything but the others are more "ignore the small things." I'm such a rebel as I put a small dish up outside for direct tv without permission. How dare I do that! It's been a year and never had a problem. You hear horror stories of HOA's though. Personal property rights should trump a lot of the power HOA's have.

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    I posted this on facebook and received a response from a liberal friend of the family:

    It seems one of his neighbors complained.This is what happens when we honor the constitution, some kids lose their tree forts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEM View Post
    I live in a condo with a HOA and I am not a huge fan. We have tons of rules. I understand ones like no loud parties after 11pm, not painting the outside, clean up after yourself, ect. But when you start getting to things like having to have white drapes showing to the outside it gets a little much. With my board we have 1 older lady who wants to control everything but the others are more "ignore the small things." I'm such a rebel as I put a small dish up outside for direct tv without permission. How dare I do that! It's been a year and never had a problem. You hear horror stories of HOA's though. Personal property rights should trump a lot of the power HOA's have.
    I can't agree more, I love the area I live in hate the association. They are perfect examples of why "democracy" doesn't work.

    They can't stop you from putting up a small satellite dish, Federal law trumps it. My association had a fit when I showed them this rule years ago.

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    Our HOA ( subdivision ) is so bad that many of us have stopped paying these stupid fee's they charge yearly and they do NOT listen to anyone but each other. When votes come up for new HOA board members as they call it. No one can get elected in. They have it set up where THEY pick the members and the members never change. People have tried to run with zero luck. They keep having yearly BBQ's, but no one shows up but them and they can't figure out why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony4310 View Post
    Our HOA ( subdivision ) is so bad that many of us have stopped paying these stupid fee's they charge yearly and they do NOT listen to anyone but each other. When votes come up for new HOA board members as they call it. No one can get elected in. They have it set up where THEY pick the members and the members never change. People have tried to run with zero luck. They keep having yearly BBQ's, but no one shows up but them and they can't figure out why.
    You do realize that failing to pay the HOA dues can be grounds for the HOA to foreclose on your property - and win?

    Either get the neighbors as excited and upset about the situation as you are and change the membership of the board so you can change the rules, or go find a place without a HOA (if you can). But in the meantime go read all the fine print and understand what can happen to you if you just thumb your nose at them and their rediculous rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    You do realize that failing to pay the HOA dues can be grounds for the HOA to foreclose on your property - and win?

    Either get the neighbors as excited and upset about the situation as you are and change the membership of the board so you can change the rules, or go find a place without a HOA (if you can). But in the meantime go read all the fine print and understand what can happen to you if you just thumb your nose at them and their rediculous rules.

    stay safe.
    It can also be the only effective way of getting rid of or restructuring your HOA, unfortunately you have to have enough people willing to have the guts to do it. Sounds like it is working in his case and I applaud it especially if they can't even elect board members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    It can also be the only effective way of getting rid of or restructuring your HOA, unfortunately you have to have enough people willing to have the guts to do it. Sounds like it is working in his case and I applaud it especially if they can't even elect board members.
    Your idea depends entirely on the HOA contract/covenants and the laws of the city and state. In many locations, you can refuse to pay, en masse, and you will be foreclosed upon, en masse. You may find sympathetic judges in some areas, but you're just as likely to find their hands tied in others.

    Bottom line: If you don't like the contract, don't sign the contract. If you sign the contract, you're legally bound by the contract insofar as it doesn't violate local/state laws. If it does, your recourse is limited to those portions which violate the law.

    That's just the way contracts work in the Western world, and covenants are stronger than mere contracts. They're lasting, binding agreements. By "lasting" I mean they outlast current owners; they're conveyed with the property. It's incumbent upon the buyer to research and know the covenants. If they're misrepresented by a realtor or the seller, then fiscal relief can be had from the realtor or the seller, but if the covenants were misrepresented, options such as keeping the treehouse up aren't on the table.

    Railing against it will get you foreclosed. Rallying the other homeowners to your "cause" will get you foreclosed. Says so, right in the covenants.

    Did you read them before you signed them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Your idea depends entirely on the HOA contract/covenants and the laws of the city and state. In many locations, you can refuse to pay, en masse, and you will be foreclosed upon, en masse. You may find sympathetic judges in some areas, but you're just as likely to find their hands tied in others.

    Bottom line: If you don't like the contract, don't sign the contract. If you sign the contract, you're legally bound by the contract insofar as it doesn't violate local/state laws. If it does, your recourse is limited to those portions which violate the law.

    That's just the way contracts work in the Western world, and covenants are stronger than mere contracts. They're lasting, binding agreements. By "lasting" I mean they outlast current owners; they're conveyed with the property. It's incumbent upon the buyer to research and know the covenants. If they're misrepresented by a realtor or the seller, then fiscal relief can be had from the realtor or the seller, but if the covenants were misrepresented, options such as keeping the treehouse up aren't on the table.

    Railing against it will get you foreclosed. Rallying the other homeowners to your "cause" will get you foreclosed. Says so, right in the covenants.

    Did you read them before you signed them?
    Sounds like you like HOA's and controlling other people.
    My point was it didn't do that for Tony now did it? And it would work for others too.
    Due process doesn't go away because you live in a HOA, it takes large amounts of time and money to foreclose, where are they going to get the money if people don't pay?

    I have gleefully watched other HOA's destroyed this way and look forward to mine going by by too.

    What you left out is that people do have the right to change or get rid of their HOA's yep it's right there in my covenants.

    What you left out is that many times the HOA changes to something totally different than what it started out as. Like I said they are perfect examples of why democracy don't work.

    I also pointed out that unless you have large amounts of money for acreage or to move to somewhere where you can afford acreage (oh wait then there wouldn't be work there) people are forced into buying into HOA's, almost everything is an HOA these days.

    Me I love individual liberty and freedom. I will do what I can to destroy my association, because they don't.
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    When in the market for homes, we have found some really nice ones, but having been burned in the past with HOAs and such we always try to get the entire story on the property. If there is an HOA, we will typically take that property out of consideration immediately. We made a poor decision with our last house - and it only caused us to hate HOAs even more and we will NEVER buy into one again. Our current property is free of that junk. I also look at the plat maps and the current deeds of the property as well. They will impart a wealth of information. Rights of ways and oddly divided and shared property will always add that property to the round file. Don't forget to look into the zoning rules and building codes of the county that the property is located in. If you have plans for your property, the county can squash them like a bug. And once you own the property, do not let anyone from the county on it without a warrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatting View Post
    When in the market for homes, we have found some really nice ones, but having been burned in the past with HOAs and such we always try to get the entire story on the property. If there is an HOA, we will typically take that property out of consideration immediately. We made a poor decision with our last house - and it only caused us to hate HOAs even more and we will NEVER buy into one again. Our current property is free of that junk. I also look at the plat maps and the current deeds of the property as well. They will impart a wealth of information. Rights of ways and oddly divided and shared property will always add that property to the round file. Don't forget to look into the zoning rules and building codes of the county that the property is located in. If you have plans for your property, the county can squash them like a bug. And once you own the property, do not let anyone from the county on it without a warrant.
    +1

    The majority of people in HOA's are unhappy with them, the small percentage that want to be "important" on the board and make rules etc. are the only ones that like them and participate. (sounds just like other governmental funcitions).

    In my area it is very difficult to find a property that doesn't have a little tyranny running it. Unless you got big bucks.

    I like my house I built it I like my neighbors (they all hate the association too), I can't stand my HOA, I don't want to be chased out of my home because they have changed from what they originally were.
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    I'm not sure how it works in other parts of the country but zoning laws (see my above post) are the reason many HOA's exist around here in the first place. An example in this area is that someone might have a 20 Acre plot that's right next to the city, and probably will get annexed some day but the regulations say that he needs at least 40 acres to build a house. He can't get zoning approval to subdivide it so he keeps ownership of the land and sells houses on it. Then, up pops an HOA that acts like a glorified mobile home court.

    Needless to say, I agree with dmatting; I would never buy a house in an HOA unless it was absolutely the only choice I had; including a nice but slightly damp cave.
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    our zoning law here is very restrictive; they limit us to no more than 500 guns on the property at one time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    I'm not sure how it works in other parts of the country but zoning laws (see my above post) are the reason many HOA's exist around here in the first place. An example in this area is that someone might have a 20 Acre plot that's right next to the city, and probably will get annexed some day but the regulations say that he needs at least 40 acres to build a house. He can't get zoning approval to subdivide it so he keeps ownership of the land and sells houses on it. Then, up pops an HOA that acts like a glorified mobile home court.

    Needless to say, I agree with dmatting; I would never buy a house in an HOA unless it was absolutely the only choice I had; including a nice but slightly damp cave.
    In my area it is because real estate agents and developers think it "protects" the value. A false premise. Someone who pays a 1/3 to a 1/5 million dollars for a home isn't going to park a rusty bus in his front yard. So they do it and put it in the deed to the lots before they are even sold to the public. I work as a contractor/construction and have built many houses to many disappointed customers when they find out they can't paint their house anything but a bland neutral color, or some old lady or grouchy old man with nothing better to do will come knock on their door and file complaints.

    Hell we had one developer who would set himself up as head of the association and would set the meetings at a time no one could make it. Like at midnight on thanksgiving or Christmas.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Sounds like you like HOA's and controlling other people.
    Not at all, and quite the contrary. I support a free market economy in which those who don't want to sign such a contract/covenant to tell those trying to get them to do so by telling them to jump in the lake. I have more than one friend who managed to do so.

    This is the basis of capitalism, a free market economy. Don't sign a contract in which you don't wish to be beholden. If you have, don't expect a govt' bailout.

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    Kudos to that!

    I will do what I can to destroy my association, because they don't.
    WRONG. You had full individual liberty and freedom when you signed your contract, yet you signed it anyway, thereby obligating yourself to follow it. You, Sir, are the antithesis of freedom. You lay claim to freedom while simultaneously denying any and all personal responsibility. You're the epitome of the "have your cake and eat it too" crowd is clamoring for "individual liberty and freedom but at the price of..."

    Whatever. Just evidence of yet more self-interested attempts to gain access to what you didn't earn.
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