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    Madison contemplates posting bus shelters

    I tuned in to the web broadcast of Madison's Transit and Parking Commission meeting today. It is pretty clear that the city plans to post every Madison Metro bus shelter and transfer point. They claim that "building" is not defined in Act 35 so they interpret this to mean "any structure." Their plan includes charging anyone with a firearm inside one of these "buildings" with trespassing. One member of the commission asked how, if bus shelters were specifically identified as non-buildings when the smoking ban was passed, the could now be considered "buildings."

    What purpose could this action take other than to harass gun carriers? Will those people in the shelter be more safe simply because the armed person has to stand outside of the shelter to wait for the bus?
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    they should waste some tax payer money to have stickers printed up that the homeless can put on their cardboard boxes, and the tent campers in the capitol can stick on their tents saying no guns allowed.

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    Glad I don't have to take the bus in Madistan, but if I did, I'd still ride the bus while armed.

    I don't see how this can even be remotely legal to do. By their logic, a tent could be considered a building...
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    will (open/concealed) carry with a permit be legal on the bus itself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IcrewUH60 View Post
    will (open/concealed) carry with a permit be legal on the bus itself?
    After 11/1/11, yes, according to the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun View Post
    What purpose could this action take other than to harass gun carriers? Will those people in the shelter be more safe simply because the armed person has to stand outside of the shelter to wait for the bus?
    Non-tax revenue enhancement for the city.

    Rather than setting up speed traps to line the city's coffers they can just nail carriers with a Class B forfeiture.

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    Now, I will get a "Firearms Welcome" sign for my tent....

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    this is why they make imprinted Umbrella's, someone needs to have a batch made that say... Madison Liberals SUCK..on them
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    Concealed carry won’t be allowed on Metro buses

    Quote Originally Posted by IcrewUH60 View Post
    will (open/concealed) carry with a permit be legal on the bus itself?
    http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...e104488ca.html
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison.com
    Wisconsin’s new concealed carry law should not affect Metro Transit’s policy prohibiting guns on city buses, an assistant city attorney said Wednesday.

    “We don’t believe the new law affects buses,” said Marci Paulsen.

    “The municipalities that we’ve heard from are in agreement that it doesn’t impact buses,” Paulsen said.

    She said Eau Claire and De Pere were the municipalities she was aware of that were in agreement.

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    Really? Bus shelters? I don't mean to be a pessimist but your new CC law seems to be causing more problems than good. Am I accurate in believing that all of these places that are now banning firearms were previously okay with OC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    I don't mean to be a pessimist but your new CC law seems to be causing more problems than good.
    In the case of bus shelters, it's not the law causing the problem as much as it is a few people... Come to Madison for awhile. You'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun View Post
    In the case of bus shelters, it's not the law causing the problem as much as it is a few people... Come to Madison for awhile. You'll see.
    This year you guys should fight for total pre-emption and then all these localities won't be able to do this stupid stuff. Is that in the playbook?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    This year you guys should fight for total pre-emption and then all these localities won't be able to do this stupid stuff. Is that in the playbook?
    The Republicans in Madison are too busy trying to reach across the isle & appease the Libs in a attempt to stay under the recall radar... That includes Walker ..if he was smart he would toss those rules in the garbage can, or line item veto most of it.....the winds of decent are a blowing, he might tick off the gun owners enough to vote against him in the recall..which would be bad... last year We voted for sweeping change & all we are getting is compromise across the board..stinking Coward Republicans as I remember when the Liberal Dems were in power they did what ever they wanted republicans had ZERO say as they were the minority...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLOCK21GB View Post
    The Republicans in Madison are too busy trying to reach across the isle & appease the Libs in a attempt to stay under the recall radar... That includes Walker ..if he was smart he would toss those rules in the garbage can, or line item veto most of it.....the winds of decent are a blowing, he might tick off the gun owners enough to vote against him in the recall..which would be bad... last year We voted for sweeping change & all we are getting is compromise across the board..stinking Coward Republicans as I remember when the Liberal Dems were in power they did what ever they wanted republicans had ZERO say as they were the minority...
    That is what I am not getting. There are far more Conservative/Republicans than Liberals/Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun
    It is pretty clear that the city plans to post every Madison Metro bus shelter and transfer point.
    They claim that "building" is not defined in Act 35 so they interpret this to mean "any structure."
    The more crap like this goes on, the lower my supply of bad words gets.

    One member of the commission asked how, if bus shelters were specifically identified as non-buildings when the smoking ban was passed, the could now be considered "buildings."
    But under the smoking ban, bus shelters were also specifically listed as outdoor places where smoking is prohibited. (Not that it's enforced or enforcable.)

    What purpose could this action take other than to harass gun carriers? Will those people in the shelter be more safe simply because the armed person has to stand outside of the shelter to wait for the bus?
    +1,000,000

    I think we have elected & appointed officials at several layers of gov't who are in violation of their oaths of office:
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    "We, the undersigned, jointly and severally, undertake and agree that [name], who has been elected (or appointed) to the office of [position], will faithfully discharge the duties of the office according to law, and will pay to the parties entitled to receive the same, such damages, not exceeding in the aggregate [amount] dollars, as may be suffered by them in consequence of the failure of [name] to discharge the duties of the office."

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    And I don't see how any city could possibly claim that a bus is a building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IcrewUH60 View Post
    will (open/concealed) carry with a permit be legal on the bus itself?
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    i'm no lawyer, but unless the state prohibits (by law) carrying on state owned ride-shares then we have a local policy that is clearly a preemption (wording?) violation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IcrewUH60 View Post
    i'm no lawyer, but unless the state prohibits (by law) carrying on state owned ride-shares then we have a local policy that is clearly a preemption (wording?) violation?
    State firearms preemption is as ineffectual as is 175.60(2) Issuance and scope of license.
    (a) The department shall issue a license to carry a concealed weapon to any individual who is not disqualified under sub. (3) and who completes the application process specified in sub. (7). A license to carry a concealed weapon issued under this section shall meet the requirements specified in sub. (2m).
    (b) The department may not impose conditions, limitations, or requirements that are not expressly provided for in this section on the issuance, scope, effect, or content of a license.
    (c) Unless expressly provided in this section, this section does not limit an individual's right to carry a firearm that is not concealed.
    (d) For purposes of 18 USC 922 (q) (2) (B) (ii), an out-of-state licensee is licensed by this state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IcrewUH60 View Post
    i'm no lawyer, but unless the state prohibits (by law) carrying on state owned ride-shares then we have a local policy that is clearly a preemption (wording?) violation?
    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    State firearms preemption is as ineffectual as is 175.60(2) Issuance and scope of license.
    (a) The department shall issue a license to carry a concealed weapon to any individual who is not disqualified under sub. (3) and who completes the application process specified in sub. (7). A license to carry a concealed weapon issued under this section shall meet the requirements specified in sub. (2m).
    (b) The department may not impose conditions, limitations, or requirements that are not expressly provided for in this section on the issuance, scope, effect, or content of a license.
    (c) Unless expressly provided in this section, this section does not limit an individual's right to carry a firearm that is not concealed.
    (d) For purposes of 18 USC 922 (q) (2) (B) (ii), an out-of-state licensee is licensed by this state.
    errrrr... something the AG is supposed to enforce?
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