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    So it begins


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    Talking

    Bravo,

    I got the parts yesterday to reconfigure an 870 for LGUOC. Aired it out yesterday on a short walk. So far so good!

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    Wait, you mean he wasn't shot by the cops, thrown to the ground, arrested, beat up???

    What happened to all those anti-LGOC folks' predicitons??

    Looks like a normal California OC encounter.

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    Wow!

    That guy did a great job!

    Except for ascerting his rights, the OCers only dialogue was to ask questions of LEO. He got the LEO to admit to an un-Constitutional detention.

    The back-up LEO was scared. He does not deserve to wear a badge. He must be in law enforcement to get his pension at 50; not to arrest BGs.

    In my 51 years I haved learned that most LEO would rather harass the law-abiding then go arrest bad guys. The law-abiding are not dangerous. This is not cop-bashing, just my opinion based on events that I have witnessed, or been involved with during my life.

    The poodle was a great prop. What criminal would walk their poody while preparing to commit a crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hgreen View Post
    Wait, you mean he wasn't shot by the cops, thrown to the ground, arrested, beat up???

    What happened to all those anti-LGOC folks' predicitons??

    Looks like a normal California OC encounter.
    +1

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    Carrying an unloaded AR15...it'll do for show, but won't be much help unloaded if he has to use it for self-defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    Carrying an unloaded AR15...it'll do for show, but won't be much help unloaded if he has to use it for self-defense.
    Hey MilProGuy,

    The UOC movement in Kali is more of a 1A movement than a self-defense issue. With 626.9 carrying for self defense is not viable for working class folks; only for LEO, democrat politicians, and trust-fund kids. Focussing on self-defense in Kali is to miss the point. We are involved in a hot political war; and we are losing!

    Thanks for your input from a free-state.

    markm

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    And I thank you, markm, for taking the time to post a cohesive and civil explanation of what's going on in your area.

    I'll be following this movement with great interest.

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    For ULGOC... as dumb as this sounds... I was wondering if there would be some sort of way to mount a sliding bracket of some sort (sort of like a drawer) to attach the mag to the rifle, but have it be about 1" clear of the mag well... so that if needed, the loaded mag would just be slapped into the gun as it is alreayd held in the "ready" position by the telescoping or sliding bracket.... but from a technical standpoint, but rifle would be unloaded...

    Just a brain storm... or maybe a brain fart.

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    Video by the Responsible Citizens of California.

    http://youtu.be/m2ySJOsDSH8

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    Did anyone notice the second cop had his gun drawn?
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCrawford View Post
    Video by the Responsible Citizens of California.

    http://youtu.be/m2ySJOsDSH8
    I LOVE the message that he is giving.. I just wish he would NOT use the word WEAPON. Call it a gun, or a firearm, but WEAPON has negative connotations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt_Kowalski View Post
    I LOVE the message that he is giving.. I just wish he would NOT use the word WEAPON. Call it a gun, or a firearm, but WEAPON has negative connotations.
    I saw the video and could not help but literally ROFL. I thought it was a very powerful message.

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    I, too, share suspicion of men walking poodles, but that Brown Shirt had no reason to draw his weapon. I searched but could not find if there was a statue governing when an officer may escalate force during a stop?

    Under what logic can a Brown Shirt say "we told him he wasn't detained, but then decided that him walking away was reason enough to detain him"?!?!?!

    Thank God you weren't walking a Dachshund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    Carrying an unloaded AR15...it'll do for show, but won't be much help unloaded if he has to use it for self-defense.
    I caught your post after this but just wanted to add- There are plenty of scenarios to which unloaded open carry would still be an asset. One is more likely to be within a danger zone of a detrimental situation before becoming an actual target. Looking at incidents in which a bad guy begins shooting, there are more people in the vicinity that have time to react than there are those who are immediately targeted.
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    There's a lot of case law to support the notion that a weapon drawn by an officer constitutes a de facto arrest. Of course an officer cannot even detain someone without RAS of a crime being committed, and the officers clearly stated that he was being detained.
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    I use the Term Weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt_Kowalski View Post
    I LOVE the message that he is giving.. I just wish he would NOT use the word WEAPON. Call it a gun, or a firearm, but WEAPON has negative connotations.
    I use the term "weapon". "Guns" are the big things on ships. small arms arms are "weapons". I think all the branches of the military use this terminology. I know the Army does.
    (Former Army)

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    This is my rifle, this is my gun.
    This is for fighting and this is for fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gundude View Post
    This is my rifle, this is my gun.
    This is for fighting and this is for fun.
    Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hgreen View Post
    Wait, you mean he wasn't shot by the cops, thrown to the ground, arrested, beat up???

    What happened to all those anti-LGOC folks' predicitons??

    Looks like a normal California OC encounter.
    Yup.

    I hope CA gets their laws changed, for everyone's sake.
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    I bet the open carry of a long gun felt like FREEDOM. It always makes me smile.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt_Kowalski View Post

    I just wish he would NOT use the word WEAPON. Call it a gun, or a firearm, but WEAPON has negative connotations.
    It is sad, in the midst of political correctness (which has seemingly taken the place of common sense) that the word "weapon" takes on a negative connotation.

    A handgun or a long gun is, indeed, a weapon.

    None of us want to be faced with the prospect of having to defend our lives with anything less.
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    LGOC is the perfect excuse to get that HK USC 45 or Hi-Point 995 I've been wanting so bad...
    Gun control isn't about guns -- it is about control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demnogis View Post
    LGOC is the perfect excuse to get that HK USC 45 or Hi-Point 995 I've been wanting so bad...
    Wow, there is a huge difference between those two guns. Kind of odd that they are your two choices since they are on opposite ends of the spectrum in a couple ways (ex HK=$1400, hi-point=$200). Not criticizing your choices in any way, just thought it was kinda funny.
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    Media

    Media gets terminology messed up all the time. Weapon, Firearm, rifle, pistol are all acceptable terms for describing firearms. Handgun is slightly acceptable for a pistol, but gun is not right. It's a magazine not a clip, unless you are talking about an old WW 2 M1 Garande clip. It's a cartridge not a bullet or a round of ammunition. Oh and for ***** and giggles I went to the Brady website and they stated on there the Tucsan shooter had an "assault clip" or something like that, how ridiculous.

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