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    visting from CO

    I think we have reciprocation Any clarification? Im flying in for 3 days anything I should know about CCW etc?

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    Yes we do reciprocate. Heres the Michigan State Police website that explains where you can't conceal your firearm. http://michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123...654---,00.html go down the list to find out where you can't conceal your firearm, "pistol free areas".

    And if you are an OC'er then the link on our page here at OCDO that breaks down where you can oc is there under Mi open carry reference chart. You can Open Carry more places in MI than you can Conceal Carry. You can also check out Michigans open carry group at www.miopencarry.org for more information. Welcome to MI!!!!!!!
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    As long as your carrying on your Colorado license you're good. All resident permits are recognized in Michigan. Enjoy your stay here. Where will you be?

    EDIT: A non-resident permit can do you some good if you don't have a resident permit but from the sound of it you do have a Colorado permit.
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    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
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    Thanks a bunch guys ill be in westbloomfield

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    btw if you are stopped by a police officer you must inform you are carrying IF you're carrying a concealed pistol (your gun in concealed in your car even if it is visible). Do you plan to OC or CC?
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Conceal carry.

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    Because of the Guns Free Zones Act, wouldn't he still be subject to staying 1,000ft from a school because he is from out of state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmdr_iceman71 View Post
    Because of the Guns Free Zones Act, wouldn't he still be subject to staying 1,000ft from a school because he is from out of state?
    Yes under Federal law, Michigan doesn't have this law. He also has to know he was in a school zone. The feds are not prosecuting these cases as a primary charge as they know it would not stand up under constitutional scrutiny. It's an add on charge that can be used to negotiate a plea.

    Not saying it couldn't happen, just unlikely. All my opinion though, but well reasoned
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
    Conceal carry.
    Gottcha. Yeah then anytime you are "stopped" you must notify and they can disarm you. From what I can tell most MI cops are cool with it and you won't have a problem. If you go to the Detroit Casinos you cannot carry there. Other casinos are good though.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    http://handgunlaw.us/

    always a good resource...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDinDetroit View Post
    http://handgunlaw.us/

    always a good resource...
    Kinda a good source. They're not 100%. For instance: For the state of Georgia it said you must be 21 to carry. Well this is not true. While you must be 21 to get a Georgia permit, there is no statutory age to carry in Georgia. I brought it up on the Georgia part on this site. Right after many of us discussed how there is no statutory age handgunlaw.us did take that part down. They're good for the most part but not 100%
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    As long as your carrying on your Colorado license you're good. All resident permits are recognized in Michigan. Enjoy your stay here. Where will you be?

    EDIT: A non-resident permit can do you some good if you don't have a resident permit but from the sound of it you do have a Colorado permit.
    It wouldn't do any good. His state of residence must be the same as his CCW/CPL. MI ony allows resident permits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    It wouldn't do any good. His state of residence must be the same as his CCW/CPL. MI ony allows resident permits.
    Oh but it would.

    1. A non resident permit (lets says he was from Illinois) would allow him to bring the handgun into Michigan and open carry it.
    2. He would be exempt from 750.234d. because he would be licensed by another state to carry a concealed pistol.

    While he would be required to unload while driving like anyone without a valid CPL he would still be able to open carry in places that have a liquor license, theaters, etc.

    EDIT: Sorry I forgot to post my cites.

    28.432 Inapplicability of MCL 28.422; amendatory act as “Janet Kukuk act”.
    Sec. 12. (1) Section 2 does not apply to any of the following:

    (f) A United States citizen holding a license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by
    another state.
    Sec. 234d. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
    (a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
    (b) A church or other house of religious worship.
    (c) A court.
    (d) A theatre.
    (e) A sports arena.
    (f) A day care center.
    (g) A hospital.
    (h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the
    Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws. (2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
    (a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection
    (1) if the possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.
    (b) A peace officer.
    (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
    (d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection
    (1) if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.
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    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    How would you carry in Georgia without a permit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    Yes we do reciprocate. Heres the Michigan State Police website that explains where you can't conceal your firearm. http://michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123...654---,00.html go down the list to find out where you can't conceal your firearm, "pistol free areas".

    And if you are an OC'er then the link on our page here at OCDO that breaks down where you can oc is there under Mi open carry reference chart. You can Open Carry more places in MI than you can Conceal Carry. You can also check out Michigans open carry group at www.miopencarry.org for more information. Welcome to MI!!!!!!!
    Can you please provide a citation that a person carrying concealed on a resident, out-of-state "license to conceal" is prohibited from concealed carry in a pistol-free zone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by autosurgeon View Post
    How would you carry in Georgia without a permit?

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    The state of Georgia? Um don't know where this came from but you kinda can't. Vehicle carry is legal but to carry openly or concealed requires a recognized permit.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    If you go to the Detroit Casinos you cannot carry there. Other casinos are good though.
    I believe that to be a misleading statement. By "other" casinos he means native american owned casinos. They are regulated by tribal law, not state law. Although they do not have the power to prosecute a non-tribal member, in my opinion you'd be opening yourself up to a world of hassle. I know the NA casino in my town is posted as no weapons on casino property....of course there isn't a sign until you're inside the building

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    Oh but it would.

    1. A non resident permit (lets says he was from Illinois) would allow him to bring the handgun into Michigan and open carry it.
    2. He would be exempt from 750.234d. because he would be licensed by another state to carry a concealed pistol.

    While he would be required to unload while driving like anyone without a valid CPL he would still be able to open carry in places that have a liquor license, theaters, etc.
    As a neat little twist of law, a non-MI resident with an out of state non-resident concealed carry license is allowed by MI law to open carry in a school, but the Fed. law wouldn't allow them to get close enough to do so.

    750.237a

    (4) Except as provided in subsection (5), an individual who possesses a weapon in a weapon free school zone is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by 1 or more of the following:

    (5) Subsection (4) does not apply to any of the following:

    (a) An individual employed by or contracted by a school if the possession of that weapon is to provide security services for the school.

    (b) A peace officer.

    (c) An individual licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
    I'm not a lawyer so none of this is legal advice, just my layman's interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I believe that to be a misleading statement. By "other" casinos he means native american owned casinos. They are regulated by tribal law, not state law. Although they do not have the power to prosecute a non-tribal member, in my opinion you'd be opening yourself up to a world of hassle. I know the NA casino in my town is posted as no weapons on casino property....of course there isn't a sign until you're inside the building

    Bronson
    But this is no different than any other private property which is posted.
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