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    A day in history when gun control wasn't discussed

    I can't imagine why this is never mentioned by the anti's, but Teddy Roosevelt, the last great President this country had, was shot during a campaign speech.

    He didn't whine about it or make passionate calls for gun control, he calmly walked back on stage and said:

    Friends, I shall ask you to be as quiet as possible. I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot; but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose. But fortunately I had my manuscript, so you see I was going to make a long speech, and there is a bullet - there is where the bullet went through - and it probably saved me from it going into my heart. The bullet is in me now, so that I cannot make a very long speech, but I will try my best.

    I wonder what Goddard has to say about that....oh, wait a minute. He isn't an American. Why would he be concerned with OUR Heritage.

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    Wow, I never knew that. I like his attitude though, "I just got shot but I'm going to finish my speech first." That's my kind of guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Wow, I never knew that. I like his attitude though, "I just got shot but I'm going to finish my speech first." That's my kind of guy.
    Teddy was quite a man. When Taft wouldn't let him run as a Republican he ran as a Bull Moose and kicked his butt.

    This is one of the days in the year I like to remember.
    The day Custer was killed is another(Caused a big Celebration in the Shenandoah Valley) and the massacre at Kent State (The day our country had a heart attack).

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    The day Custer was killed is another (caused a big Celebration in the Shenandoah Valley).
    Hear, hear!

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    History lesson on OCDO!

    Scroll down just a little bit from here, to see the account of the assassination attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    The day Custer was killed is another(Caused a big Celebration in the Shenandoah Valley).
    Being more of an easterner, I was not aware of the battle of the valley.

    Very interesting reading.

    TFred

    ETA: Interesting excerpt. Custer's Confederate opponent was kicked out of UVA for shooting a fellow student!

    His opponent in the Valley was a gifted military leader in his own right, one whose perfection of guerrilla-style warfare would sorely test Custer. John Singleton Mosby was born December 6, 1833, in Edgemont, Va. An excellent student, Mosby joined the Virginia bar in 1855 after being dismissed from the University of Virginia for shooting and wounding a fellow student.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Being more of an easterner, I was not aware of the battle of the valley.

    Very interesting reading.

    TFred

    ETA: Interesting excerpt. Custer's Confederate opponent was kicked out of UVA for shooting a fellow student!
    Being born in Shenandoah County, I was taught early about Custer.
    Generally, he wanted to cut the food supply so he took his troops through the Valley burning crops and homes and stealing what there was to steal (He stole a gold watch from us).

    The Valley was unguarded except for women, children and old men.
    When he was killed at Little Bighorn it took a few weeks for the news to get to the New Market area but when it did, there was a community shindig that some still celebrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Very interesting reading.

    Interesting excerpt. Custer's Confederate opponent was kicked out of UVA for shooting a fellow student!
    Well, at least he wasn't kicked out just for carrying!
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    Well, at least he wasn't kicked out just for carrying!
    Good point... back when crimes were actually crimes. I bet most of the gentlemen carried, or at least had their firearms on campus with them for the return trips home.

    It would be interesting to get a historian of the university to do a report on the rise of gun control on campus. The '60s maybe?

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    I did not know that, Goddard is not an American Citizen? Where's he from?

    BTW, Roosevelt went on to loose that election, IIRC....
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    Why celebrate a Progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Teddy was quite a man. When Taft wouldn't let him run as a Republican he ran as a Bull Moose and kicked his butt.

    This is one of the days in the year I like to remember.
    The day Custer was killed is another(Caused a big Celebration in the Shenandoah Valley) and the massacre at Kent State (The day our country had a heart attack).
    Theodore Roosevelt was a Progressive who endorsed Eugenics. Quite a man indeed.

    No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred
    Being more of an easterner, I was not aware of the battle of the valley.
    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap
    Being born in Shenandoah County, I was taught early about Custer.
    Generally, he wanted to cut the food supply so he took his troops through the Valley burning crops and homes and stealing what there was to steal (He stole a gold watch from us).

    The Valley was unguarded except for women, children and old men.
    When he was killed at Little Bighorn it took a few weeks for the news to get to the New Market area but when it did, there was a community shindig that some still celebrate.
    Being originally from a lot further east than TFred (by about 3000 miles or so), my knowledge of Custer was restricted to learning that he was a flamboyant idiot who's reckless behavior in the old west caused the 'Indians' to hate him. I had no idea, until I read the account of his actions in the Valley linked to in this thread, that he'd earned a revulsion in Virginia that's probably similar to that in which Sherman is held in Georgia & South Carolina.

    Very interesting read, thank you for posting the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    Theodore Roosevelt was a Progressive who endorsed Eugenics. Quite a man indeed.

    No thanks.
    Oh yeah...progressive

    Yes, but the progressive movement of the early 20th century was nothing like the communist progressive movement of today. The old one stopped child labor, gave women the vote, started the national parks, and broke up the trusts; all things which were needed and pro-American in principle. FAR different than what can be said about today's progressives. It's another term which has been unjustifiably co-opted by the left for disinformation purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neplusultra View Post
    I did not know that, Goddard is not an American Citizen? Where's he from?

    ....
    Goddard, Sr. is from England. If you have the stomach for it, here's what he wrote for a bio: http://gunvictimsaction.org/boards-o...-of-the-board/

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Goddard, Sr. is from England. If you have the stomach for it, here's what he wrote for a bio: http://gunvictimsaction.org/boards-o...-of-the-board/

    stay safe.
    He may have a piece of paper that says he can stay but he is not now or ever will he be....an AMERICAN!

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    Please don't think all people from England share his views. A point I was trying to make to Skid this morning when I finally made it to breakfast, is that when someone makes the conscious choice to live in another country from the one he or she was born in then they should accept the laws and the culture of their new home, rather than expect the new home to change for their benefit. After all, there is a reason why they left their old country in the first place (for me it was because my wife is from this country and she didn't want to leave it). I've seen first hand what happens to a country when it allows the immigrants to set the rules for the native population, the England I left in 2001 no longer exists. Please don't allow it to happen here as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Oh yeah...progressive

    Yes, but the progressive movement of the early 20th century was nothing like the communist progressive movement of today. The old one stopped child labor, gave women the vote, started the national parks, and broke up the trusts; all things which were needed and pro-American in principle. FAR different than what can be said about today's progressives. It's another term which has been unjustifiably co-opted by the left for disinformation purposes.
    Teddy supported a confiscatory progressive tax and promoted Socialist ideals. As an advocate of Eugenics, he has this to say:
    No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    Teddy supported a confiscatory progressive tax and promoted Socialist ideals. As an advocate of Eugenics, he has this to say:


    No thanks.
    I guess we all have our views and choose our heroes ...so I'll keep him on top. You can pick any you like and with the exception of Jefferson and Washington, I'll say "No Thanks".
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I guess we all have our views and choose our heroes ...so I'll keep him on top. You can pick any you like and with the exception of Jefferson and Washington, I'll say "No Thanks".
    I choose Jefferson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Teddy was quite a man. When Taft wouldn't let him run as a Republican he ran as a Bull Moose and kicked his butt.

    This is one of the days in the year I like to remember.
    The day Custer was killed is another(Caused a big Celebration in the Shenandoah Valley) and the massacre at Kent State (The day our country had a heart attack).
    And Custer was under orders from Sheridan who was under orders from Lincoln to burn out the valley. Isn't it interesting that so many Americans don't know this. But then, the winner writes the history books which is why most believe that slavery was the cause of the War Between the States. These same folks idealize Lincoln who was not exactly the president people think he was.

    Custer also executed some Southern soldiers in Front Royal (five as I recall). Four were hung and one was shot to death. In retaliation, Mosby caught some of Custer's men and executed them. John Singleton Mosby is one of my childhood heroes and he remains such even today. He is buried about 13-14 miles from my home. I have perhpas four relatives by marriage who were associated with Mosby during the war with at least one of them riding with him.
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    Very interesting. Not like what you see in movies today, this was a true "bad ass." I don't know if to call it bravery or stupidity though! I think the smart thing to do would be to seek medical attention right after being shot.

    This painting is still up in the white house today. It really brings out the true character of teddy.
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    Is that a belt fed BAR?

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    His opponent in the Valley was a gifted military leader in his own right, one whose perfection of guerrilla-style warfare would sorely test Custer. John Singleton Mosby was born December 6, 1833, in Edgemont, Va. An excellent student, Mosby joined the Virginia bar in 1855 after being dismissed from the University of Virginia for shooting and wounding a fellow student.

    Sounds like a Paul Harvey, rest-of-the-story situation, doesn't it?

    I read that to be possibly:

    He was challenged to a duel by another student, and other student lost. Duelling being "illegal" then (antis were already screwing up our freedom!) he was deemed a scofflaw, and sent packing from the liberal UVa campus! Nothing new under the sun . . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I guess we all have our views and choose our heroes ...so I'll keep him on top. You can pick any you like and with the exception of Jefferson and Washington, I'll say "No Thanks".
    Dealing with the Progressives was difficult, but Warren G. Harding and Cal Coolidge both managed to undo some of the damage Wilson caused. Of course, Herbert Hoover undid most of that -- and that let the second Roosevelt destroy our Constitutional Republic.

    This article discusses what by Elihu Root had to say about the Progressives of his erain his book, Experiments in Government and the Essentials of the Constitution:
    While researching for my latest book, I found an interesting view on this "progressive" movement. This view comes from a small book of two essays entitled "Experiments in Government and the Essentials of the Constitution" by Elihu Root. It was written in 1913 when the "progressive" movement was starting with full force.

    We know, of course, that one of the loudest "progressive" voices of this era was from Republican Theodore Roosevelt. I found it curious that Mr. Root and President Roosevelt interacted throughout their political careers and apparently got along quite famously. Yet they held such divergent views of the Constitution.

    ...

    Root served as Secretary of War from 1899 to 1904 under Presidents McKinley and progressive Theodore Roosevelt. Roosevelt served as Assistant Secretary of the Navy under Elihu Root. Mr. Root returned to private practice in 1904, but was called upon by Roosevelt in 1905 to assue the duties of the 38th Secretary of State.
    Now, as to what Root believed, you (and others here) can read the linked article if you like.

    Finally, one of the great Supreme Court justices was also a President, William Howard Taft. The Taft court upheld the Constitution, unlike the Hughes court. Thanks!

    Consider Taft's views, and Root's:

    The First Conservatives: The Constitutional Challenge to Progressivism
    So what did Taft, Root, and the National Association for Constitutional Government (NACG) believe?

    * Our Constitution recognizes that people have natural rights that do not come from the government. Instead, the government is tasked only with protecting them from “arbitrary or illegitimate authority.”

    * Our government is one of limited powers, both because the people retain sovereignty at all times and because the Founders recognized that human nature inclines people to abuse power.

    * Conservatism insists on “equal rights for all” and “special privileges for none.” This means that laws should not single out groups for special treatment, either negative or positive.

    * Being a constitutional conservative requires a commitment to republicanism rather than direct democracy. A republic, unlike a democracy, allows for beneficial “distance and delay between public opinion and the creation of law.”
    Teddy did not share those principles. The best opportunity to preserve gun rights in America is within a Constitutional Republic. Progressives want to destroy that, and ultimately enslave us.

    No thanks.

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