OC at a protest?

PDinDetroit · Oct 20, 2011

Glock9mmOldStyle said:
As I said repeatedly, but you choose to ignore because the context does not fit your agenda here: "We OCers don't like when people rip on us for our legal activity of OCing" right? I was simply saying if we don't like it, then others most likely don't either; that being the case we should "avoid" demeaning them. Hell, if you want say whatever you want, to whoever you want, whenever you want. I'm sure you do this always correct? To do otherwise is to strip yourself of your freedom of expression. You walk into 7-11 often from your posts, and sometimes deal with a not so nice person running the register. Do you express your dissatisfaction? If not, why? Could it be because it is the best choice given the setting. You most likely would come off as a jerk even though you are correct. The same applies here with OWS crowd, even though many here may very well be right in their views, by labeling them wacko's, morons, crazies to name a few names used here, we look like the jerks instead of them in my honest opinion.

Each person must decide for themselves how they will exercise their Freedom of Expression. When you stated that we as a group should refrain from Negative Expressions towards the OWS Protesters, I see that as you telling others how to exercise their Freedom of Expression. It's your opinion on how others should express themselves and you can certainly to ask others to "follow your lead", I simply disagree with asking others to limit their Freedom of Expression in this manner. If you have noticed, I have not made any Negative Expressions towards the OWS Protesters here on OCDO whether I agree with them or not.

As to the one time I had an issue with the girl behind the register, I did discuss the issue with her the very next time I was at that 7-11. She readily apologized as she had a bad day and didn't mean to take it out on me. We have had good conversations ever since whenever I stop by that 7-11.

As in the other thread, I agree to disagree with you and bid you good luck in all you do.

lapeer20m · Oct 22, 2011

I absolutely agree in peoples rights to exercise their rights.

I do however, disagree with the underlying message of the OWS protest: Socialism. Taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

We all agree that corruption is bad, and that bailouts are bad, but i just do not agree with the concept of replacing capitalism with socialism.

lapeer20m · Oct 23, 2011

I went to the occupy flint protest just to spectate today. It is really fizzling out! The web site indicates that they will be protesting daily from noon to six pm. I spent a couple hours in downtown, the most protesters i saw in any one spot was four. Their headquarters had a total of seven tents set up. I did see two open carry guys who are apparently part of the protest. I was cc'ing. Here are some photos:

open carry guy:

gadsden flag flying over "headquarters" how bizarre? don't tread on me if i'm poor, but if you have more than me it is ok for me to take what belongs to you???:

People wearing red UAW shirts dropped off food and supplies:

Here are all seven of the occupiers tents:

the occupiers protesting.....all four of them about 1:45pm on Sunday:

photo taken of the same spot about an hour later, you can even see the same two vehicles parked. Apparently they got bored and wandered off.....

Small_Arms_Collector · Oct 27, 2011

RenkaiWulf said:
i was thinking about going downtown tomorrow to see and maybe join the Occupy Wall Street flint protest would i have any legality problems OCing (other that U of M flint campus is right next to where the protest is taking place)? also where would i be able to find what property Uof M flint owns as to avoid jamming myself up?

So what your really saying is that you are a hippie. What exactly is it that you are "protesting" free markets?, freedom in general? Do you really think that if you get your way, and we get a communist dictator you will still be allowed to carry at all, or even own a gun?

Evil Creamsicle · Oct 30, 2011

The LA Times is reporting that Occupy Oakland Protester and veteran of the United States Marine Corps, Scott Olsen will need brain surgery to alleviate the swelling caused by the police crackdown last night in the bay city. Olsen cannot speak at this point but has shown the ability to write a little.

At least nothing like this happened...

DrTodd · Oct 30, 2011

Small_Arms_Collector said:
So what your really saying is that you are a hippie. What exactly is it that you are "protesting" free markets?, freedom in general? Do you really think that if you get your way, and we get a communist dictator you will still be allowed to carry at all, or even own a gun?

We don't have a "free market" now. Freedom... that we have now? That's a good one (sarcasm). Actually, I can think of many alternatives to "what we have now" that would be further away from "communist" than what currently exists. Use of terms like "communist" and "hippie" only limits honest discussion and promotes blind allegiance to the present state of corporatism.

Small_Arms_Collector · Nov 1, 2011

DrTodd said:
We don't have a "free market" now. Freedom... that we have now? That's a good one (sarcasm). Actually, I can think of many alternatives to "what we have now" that would be further away from "communist" than what currently exists. Use of terms like "communist" and "hippie" only limits honest discussion and promotes blind allegiance to the present state of corporatism.

The terms communist, and hippie are accurate when describing these "protesters", I will not censor my speech when discussing these "people" simply to avoid offending them, particularly when what I'm saying is true. Freedom of speech works both ways it's one thing the hippies, and communists have never understood, or rather choose to ignore. Our free market system may have been compromised by the likes of these same "protesters", and our freedoms severely reduced by the same, but do you honestly think these hippies one MORE Freedom in the Market, and MORE freedom? If you do you must be living under a rock, they like all commies want a totally government run, and planned economy, and personal freedom on par with the Stalinist era Soviet Union. They created this problem.

DrTodd · Nov 1, 2011

Small_Arms_Collector said:
The terms communist, and hippie are accurate when describing these "protesters", I will not censor my speech when discussing these "people" simply to avoid offending them, particularly when what I'm saying is true. Freedom of speech works both ways it's one thing the hippies, and communists have never understood, or rather choose to ignore. Our free market system may have been compromised by the likes of these same "protesters", and our freedoms severely reduced by the same, but do you honestly think these hippies one MORE Freedom in the Market, and MORE freedom? If you do you must be living under a rock, they like all commies want a totally government run, and planned economy, and personal freedom on par with the Stalinist era Soviet Union. They created this problem.

I did not ask you to censor your speech, and I certainly don't care if you "offend" them, rather I pointed out that oftentimes those who choose to use "loaded" words, such as you used, do not wish to have a rational discussion. Instead, the attempt often is that no further discussion takes place. Kind of reminds me of the 1950's... a "commie" under every rock... everyone and every criticism is suspect. Actually, I would stake claim to the notion that we do NOT have freedom; what we have is corporate greed coupled with control of most aspects of our society. You sound like an apologist for the idea that "money makes right"; no matter how one gets it.

I have never said that I agree with the remedies the protesters propose, but I think that they are closer to a true understanding of the disease than those who choose to let corporate control of federal, state, and local government flourish while putting the squeeze on individuals and small businesses..all in the name of "freedom". No, this "problem" was created by greed and speculation... as evidenced by the ever-increasing profits of the largest corporations and their investors. These protesters will soon be sent on their way after the corporate bosses send in the troops when they feel that they have had enough of these gadflies. I wouldn't worry so much about what the protesters will do...

Small_Arms_Collector · Nov 3, 2011

DrTodd said:
I did not ask you to censor your speech, and I certainly don't care if you "offend" them, rather I pointed out that oftentimes those who choose to use "loaded" words, such as you used, do not wish to have a rational discussion. Instead, the attempt often is that no further discussion takes place. Kind of reminds me of the 1950's... a "commie" under every rock... everyone and every criticism is suspect. Actually, I would stake claim to the notion that we do NOT have freedom; what we have is corporate greed coupled with control of most aspects of our society. You sound like an apologist for the idea that "money makes right"; no matter how one gets it.

I have never said that I agree with the remedies the protesters propose, but I think that they are closer to a true understanding of the disease than those who choose to let corporate control of federal, state, and local government flourish while putting the squeeze on individuals and small businesses..all in the name of "freedom". No, this "problem" was created by greed and speculation... as evidenced by the ever-increasing profits of the largest corporations and their investors. These protesters will soon be sent on their way after the corporate bosses send in the troops when they feel that they have had enough of these gadflies. I wouldn't worry so much about what the protesters will do...

It sounds like you own stock in Renolds Wrap. Believe it or not their is no grand corporate conspiracy, any wrong doing that current;y undermines our country, and subverts our freedom is directly the responsibility of the left wing. I believe in the free market that is all, the government should have zero interaction with the market whatsoever beyond the ACTUAL interstate commerce of goods, and imports that is all, their should be no regulation whatsoever i n regards to how a company operates, who they do business with, or what they sell.

I disagree that the terms commie, and hippie are loaded terms, they are not loaded when they are true, the truth is that they have undermined, and infiltrated every level of our government that is fact, as is the fact that these so called "protesters" are hippies, and communists. And what they want is the complete government control, and nationalization of industry, and commerce in this country.

You sound like you have fallen for the typical left wing class warfare garbage, "they have more, therefor they are evil, so take it away from them, and give it to me".

DrTodd · Nov 4, 2011

Small_Arms_Collector said:
It sounds like you own stock in Renolds Wrap. Believe it or not their is no grand corporate conspiracy, any wrong doing that current;y undermines our country, and subverts our freedom is directly the responsibility of the left wing. I believe in the free market that is all, the government should have zero interaction with the market whatsoever beyond the ACTUAL interstate commerce of goods, and imports that is all, their should be no regulation whatsoever i n regards to how a company operates, who they do business with, or what they sell.

I disagree that the terms commie, and hippie are loaded terms, they are not loaded when they are true, the truth is that they have undermined, and infiltrated every level of our government that is fact, as is the fact that these so called "protesters" are hippies, and communists. And what they want is the complete government control, and nationalization of industry, and commerce in this country.

You sound like you have fallen for the typical left wing class warfare garbage, "they have more, therefor they are evil, so take it away from them, and give it to me".

Ah, once again, serving as an apologist for corporatism. You claim that we have a "free market". I would call what we have as privatized feudalism. I base this upon:
- artificial property rights,
- a regulatory system that benefits large, well established corporations at the expense of small business,
- subsidies of long-distance transportation, so necessary for corporatism, at the expense of local business more able to adapt supply to demand,
-overhead capital costs, licensing requirements, zoning ordinances , etc made so prohibitive through government decree that most regular people are unable to ever go into business themselves.

I do, however, disagree with those you claim are "hippies" and "communists", because I mistrust the State as a tool for reforms. In fact, our present system exists to allow the corporate classes ever increasing power. The protesters' mistake while claiming to work towards a more fair and free society is that they see "the State" as a cure rather than the cause.

I distrust both State AND private privilege developed through State prerogative. If you believe that we currently have a "free market", your notion of freedom is one still stuck on some acceptance of immense state control.

T Mack · Nov 7, 2011

What?

dougwg said:
Are you going in opposition to the morons of the Occupy Wall Street flint protest?

I support the protestors and resemble that remark.... I'am the 99%

Small_Arms_Collector · Nov 10, 2011

DrTodd said:
Ah, once again, serving as an apologist for corporatism. You claim that we have a "free market". I would call what we have as privatized feudalism. I base this upon:
- artificial property rights,
- a regulatory system that benefits large, well established corporations at the expense of small business,
- subsidies of long-distance transportation, so necessary for corporatism, at the expense of local business more able to adapt supply to demand,
-overhead capital costs, licensing requirements, zoning ordinances , etc made so prohibitive through government decree that most regular people are unable to ever go into business themselves.

I do, however, disagree with those you claim are "hippies" and "communists", because I mistrust the State as a tool for reforms. In fact, our present system exists to allow the corporate classes ever increasing power. The protesters' mistake while claiming to work towards a more fair and free society is that they see "the State" as a cure rather than the cause.

I distrust both State AND private privilege developed through State prerogative. If you believe that we currently have a "free market", your notion of freedom is one still stuck on some acceptance of immense state control.

I am not an "apologist" for anyone, I see though that you appear to have fallen for the same old left wing garbage, and class warfare mantra.

I don't want state control of anything, just the opposite the government should not have any control whatsoever in business, no regulation, no tax, nothing, companies should be able to succeed, or fail on their own in a free market, if your business can't compete tough, clearly you did not have the right service, at the right price. What the protesters, and apparently you want is complete government control of business, and confiscatory taxes, that is the opposite of a free market.

Small_Arms_Collector · Nov 10, 2011

T Mack said:
I support the protestors and resemble that remark.... I'am the 99%

So your a hippie, and hate capitalism, and want communism, is that what your saying? Do you honestly believe that 99% of the country agrees with their idiocy? If you do you are delusional.

Glock9mmOldStyle · Nov 10, 2011

Peace

T Mack said:
I support the protestors and resemble that remark.... I'am the 99%

Small_Arms_Collector said:
So your a hippie, and hate capitalism, and want communism, is that what your saying? Do you honestly believe that 99% of the country agrees with their idiocy? If you do you are delusional.

Hey SAC,

Chill... He is in my opinion a good guy (speaking of T Mack) we need to remember, just because we may or may not agree with a post of somebody's there is no need to be gruff. I have met you both in person and would say you both have more in common than you do that separates you. We are all countrymen/women first. The rest is what makes our country as great as it is. The ability to have our own opinions regardless of who agrees with them or not. United we stand, divided we fall. Just saying he can't be that bad and neither can you.... (as you carry a GLOCK)

We have many diverse people on this board and should welcome varying opinions as we all value our constitutional rights 1A, 2A etc...

Venator · Nov 10, 2011

Small_Arms_Collector said:
I am not an "apologist" for anyone, I see though that you appear to have fallen for the same old left wing garbage, and class warfare mantra.

I don't want state control of anything, just the opposite the government should not have any control whatsoever in business, no regulation, no tax, nothing, companies should be able to succeed, or fail on their own in a free market, if your business can't compete tough, clearly you did not have the right service, at the right price. What the protesters, and apparently you want is complete government control of business, and confiscatory taxes, that is the opposite of a free market.

An ignorance of history.

Venator · Nov 10, 2011

Small_Arms_Collector said:
So your a hippie, and hate capitalism, and want communism, is that what your saying? Do you honestly believe that 99% of the country agrees with their idiocy? If you do you are delusional.

Again ignorance, just because someone supports the protests, they are a hippie-commie. They can't be anything else? Perhaps they support the freedom of speech protected by the bill of rights. You don't have to like the message, but you must support the right to express it.

You seem to see the world only in black and white, must be nice as ignorance is bliss.

MilProGuy · Nov 10, 2011

Glock9mmOldStyle said:
...just because we may or may not agree with a post of somebody's there is no need to be gruff. I have met you both in person and would say you both have more in common than you do that separates you.

We are all countrymen/women first. The rest is what makes our country as great as it is.

The ability to have our own opinions regardless of who agrees with them or not. United we stand, divided we fall. Just saying he can't be that bad and neither can you...

We have many diverse people on this board and should welcome varying opinions as we all value our constitutional rights 1A, 2A etc...

Thanks for your post. It was, indeed, a much-needed "breath of fresh air".

In our society today, we tend to focus on the negatives and allow them to divide us, rather than looking for and finding common ground, which will unite us in a common cause.

RenkaiWulf · Nov 12, 2011

any of you who are against OWS you may want to read this article http://www.theoaklandpress.com/arti...4ebb877047db7044925163.txt?viewmode=fullstory

what rly hit me was the last sentence this is true for all of us not just the "hippies" and "commies" as SAC puts it
"How many missed paychecks would it take to land your family in the streets?"
if all your income stopped and you couldent find a job right away how long would it be before you would lose your home or not be able to feed your kids?

stainless1911 · Nov 12, 2011

60 days, max. Depending on the day it all went south.

Bikenut · Nov 12, 2011

RenkaiWulf said:
any of you who are against OWS you may want to read this article

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/arti...4ebb877047db7044925163.txt?viewmode=fullstory

what rly hit me was the last sentence this is true for all of us not just the "hippies" and "commies" as SAC puts it "How many missed paychecks would it take to land your family in the streets?" if all your income stopped and you couldent find a job right away how long would it be before you would lose your home or not be able to feed your kids?

The question:

"How many missed paychecks would it take to land your family in the streets?"

doesn't scare me but this question I've asked myself does....

"How long will it take after the freebie government handouts end before folks start kicking in my door?"

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