TigerLily
Regular Member
Am I the only nut-job that thinks gun rights supersedes gun training?
So I was listening to the show today live and decided to call in and talk about my open carry experience here in South Nevada. I thought this person would be more supportive, as he represents himself as a "gun-rights" advocate, but when he found out I haven't taken a defense course and that the only experience I have is former military and shooting out on the range, he quickly cut me off and chastised me. He said training is the RESPONSIBLE thing to do - inferring I was "irresponsible." And that anyone that owns a gun should - at very minimum - take a course that lasts an entire day.
So I called back and asked to have this note slipped to him: "Should I also take a full day's course to exercise my 1st Amendment rights?"
He got the msg and asked for people to call in to say whether or not their gun training experience was positive. Of course, he got all sorts of calls - mostly from police officers lauding the merits of training.
I sent him this email and I'll keep you posted as to if he responds:
Dear Tom,
Thanks for taking my call. I'm the open carrier in Las Vegas that has never taken a self-defense course (nor have you convinced me that I should.)
I understand your position that gun owners should take self-defense classes, but I take great exception to your inference that gun owners who do not take classes are "irresponsible." Your views are very close to that of a "nanny-crat."
I appreciate that at the end of your show you said that you do not support making classes "mandatory" but boy, you sure do come close to expressing exactly that. No one disagrees that training is usually good, though not ALL training is good. Case in point: Our public school system.
The training indoctrination that you are preaching I feel is harmful to the 2nd Amendment. Should we go to a class and learn to drive a car from an "expert?" Why sure, if it's possible. If not possible, and we learn our skills by getting a permit and letting daddy teach us on some vacant parking lot - would you consider that driver "irresponsible?" I'd venture to say that more people are killed by car crashes than by guns. And yet, your plea for gun training borders on hysteria.
I do NOT conceal carry because I do not have a permit - as you know I'd need to take a class to get a conceal permit, and while I don't object to the class itself, I object to needing a permission slip to exercise the 2A. If you need a permit to conceal a gun, then you're not really exercising a right - you're exercising a "privilege" like driving, am I wrong?
Of course it's your show, and if I want to get my own viewpoints out I should get my own show (and maybe one day I will.) Not everyone carries for self defense. I carry only to exercise my right - and what I have found is that the only people afraid of my gun are criminals and cops.
I was walking my dogs at 10:30 pm last winter in my neighborhood and a car approached me, rolled down his window and said something. I was on the phone and turned and asked him to repeat himself. He caught a glimpse of my .45 and said, "never mind," as he rolled his window back up and drove off.
Another time I was detained & put into handcuffs for 56 minutes for videotaping two school cops while open carrying. It is clear in this you-tube, that the cops were not concerned with my gun, they were concerned with my videorecorder. I found out later, that what they were doing to the suspect (a suspect that was already in cuffs and secured in the back seat of a patrol car) was in violation of their own policy - thus, they really, really, really, did not want any evidence of that.
Here is the youtube of that handcuffing incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY4R4hERCaA
I think encouraging all law-abiding citizens to exercise the 2A is crucial. And I think that having a gun without training is far superior to not having one at all. You know what they say, Rights: Use them or lose them.
Sincerely,
TigerLily
So I was listening to the show today live and decided to call in and talk about my open carry experience here in South Nevada. I thought this person would be more supportive, as he represents himself as a "gun-rights" advocate, but when he found out I haven't taken a defense course and that the only experience I have is former military and shooting out on the range, he quickly cut me off and chastised me. He said training is the RESPONSIBLE thing to do - inferring I was "irresponsible." And that anyone that owns a gun should - at very minimum - take a course that lasts an entire day.
So I called back and asked to have this note slipped to him: "Should I also take a full day's course to exercise my 1st Amendment rights?"
He got the msg and asked for people to call in to say whether or not their gun training experience was positive. Of course, he got all sorts of calls - mostly from police officers lauding the merits of training.
I sent him this email and I'll keep you posted as to if he responds:
Dear Tom,
Thanks for taking my call. I'm the open carrier in Las Vegas that has never taken a self-defense course (nor have you convinced me that I should.)
I understand your position that gun owners should take self-defense classes, but I take great exception to your inference that gun owners who do not take classes are "irresponsible." Your views are very close to that of a "nanny-crat."
I appreciate that at the end of your show you said that you do not support making classes "mandatory" but boy, you sure do come close to expressing exactly that. No one disagrees that training is usually good, though not ALL training is good. Case in point: Our public school system.
The training indoctrination that you are preaching I feel is harmful to the 2nd Amendment. Should we go to a class and learn to drive a car from an "expert?" Why sure, if it's possible. If not possible, and we learn our skills by getting a permit and letting daddy teach us on some vacant parking lot - would you consider that driver "irresponsible?" I'd venture to say that more people are killed by car crashes than by guns. And yet, your plea for gun training borders on hysteria.
I do NOT conceal carry because I do not have a permit - as you know I'd need to take a class to get a conceal permit, and while I don't object to the class itself, I object to needing a permission slip to exercise the 2A. If you need a permit to conceal a gun, then you're not really exercising a right - you're exercising a "privilege" like driving, am I wrong?
Of course it's your show, and if I want to get my own viewpoints out I should get my own show (and maybe one day I will.) Not everyone carries for self defense. I carry only to exercise my right - and what I have found is that the only people afraid of my gun are criminals and cops.
I was walking my dogs at 10:30 pm last winter in my neighborhood and a car approached me, rolled down his window and said something. I was on the phone and turned and asked him to repeat himself. He caught a glimpse of my .45 and said, "never mind," as he rolled his window back up and drove off.
Another time I was detained & put into handcuffs for 56 minutes for videotaping two school cops while open carrying. It is clear in this you-tube, that the cops were not concerned with my gun, they were concerned with my videorecorder. I found out later, that what they were doing to the suspect (a suspect that was already in cuffs and secured in the back seat of a patrol car) was in violation of their own policy - thus, they really, really, really, did not want any evidence of that.
Here is the youtube of that handcuffing incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY4R4hERCaA
I think encouraging all law-abiding citizens to exercise the 2A is crucial. And I think that having a gun without training is far superior to not having one at all. You know what they say, Rights: Use them or lose them.
Sincerely,
TigerLily