Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 60

Thread: Spoke with a Convicted Fellon Saturday about OC

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Tucson, Arizona, USA
    Posts
    661

    Spoke with a Convicted Fellon Saturday about OC

    I ran into a kid at the carwash this past Saturday, I remember him and his brother from church when they were ankle-biters. Sadly both this guy and his brother ended up doing time in the state pokey (His brother is actually back in) while he has turned his life around. He recognized me and came up to start chatting- saw my sidearm and asked what I was carrying these days. Spent a few minutes talking about my firearm and he says, "you know, guys like my brother fear people like you."

    I said, "armed people?"

    He said, "no, armed people who don't bother covering it up."

    I asked, "Why not just regular armed people?"

    He said, "can't tell who is strapped and who isn't. Someone carrying concealed looks just like everyone else. See, when guys like him case a joint, they make sure that everything is in place. As soon as they see someone with a piece hangin' off their belt it messes with their rhythm. That throws them off and makes them shaky."

    Then he said something that has stuck with me since, "my brother said it took him almost a week to get the picture of a guy with a gun out of his mind before he got the nerve up to go rob another store. It really freaked him out because it reminded him that there were people out there with guns that could shoot back."

    I said (in my most sarcastic voice), "you can't tell me a hardened criminal is actually scared of a private citizen with a handgun."

    His answer? "Thugs ain't no heroes... too lazy and it takes a lot of energy to get nerve up to go somewhere and do it. If you mess with that flow they gotta wait until they get jacked up enough to do it again. Could take a few minutes or a few days, but they won't go back to where they know somebody's packin'"

    Thought provoking conversation. I just hope this kid has learned his lesson and stays out of trouble.

  2. #2
    Campaign Veteran Dutch Uncle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Posts
    1,715
    WOW!

    Some sociology student out there should interview a couple dozen (or more) felons and write a paper about the effect of OC on criminal motivation. I noticed that the felon in the story didn't think, "Gee, I guess I better plan on shooting any armed guys first , then go on with my robbery". Nope. These predators are cowards, not brave men. I have had contact with many sociopaths in my life, and I can tell you they don't want "fair fights" or any shootouts at all. They want to prey on weak, scared or aged people so the odds are all in their favor. We are part of the animal kingdom, after all!

  3. #3
    Founder's Club Member thebigsd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Quarryville, PA
    Posts
    3,543
    I seem to remember watching some documentary in which they were interviewing prison inmates. Some of them said the thing they feared most when committing crimes was an armed citizen. The interviewer said something like "Not the police?" and the inmate responded with something like "Nope, we know who they are." If I can remember the name of the documentary, I will update my post.
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

  4. #4
    Regular Member dmatting's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Durham, NC
    Posts
    443
    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    I seem to remember watching some documentary in which they were interviewing prison inmates. Some of them said the thing they feared most when committing crimes was an armed citizen. The interviewer said something like "Not the police?" and the inmate responded with something like "Nope, we know who they are." If I can remember the name of the documentary, I will update my post.
    John Stossel had a report on guns and included this. The portion on guns starts at 5:05, he interviews inmates at 6:30 and talks about what they are afraind of at 7:15.

  5. #5
    Founder's Club Member thebigsd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Quarryville, PA
    Posts
    3,543
    Quote Originally Posted by dmatting View Post
    John Stossel had a report on guns and included this. The portion on guns starts at 5:05, he interviews inmates at 6:30 and talks about what they are afraind of at 7:15.
    Wow! That is exactly the video I was talking about!! Thanks!
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

  6. #6
    Regular Member rushcreek2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Colorado Springs. CO
    Posts
    924
    Thank you for sharing your observations Dahwg - This post deserves a " STICKIE". The comment "Messes with their rythm" really hit it on the head.

    Anyone who diligently OC's on a regular basis understands this principle - it is the KEY PRINCIPLE upon which OC'ers operate. Responsible OC makes the public square SAFER -period.

    Those forum members familiar with my posts, and a handful whom I have personally met know that I push the envelope - wherever I am. I will leave it at that out of respect for forum rules. Suffice to say , I have yet to have experienced any problems with the public or LE regarding my pretty routine style of what I call "casual" OC. This is because I don't cross the "boundary". What is the "boundary"? It varies - depending upon the location, circumstances, and constituency.

    What we are striving to accomplish has more to do with PUBLIC PERCEPTION than SPECIFIC JURISDICTIONAL legal technicalities.

    Some jurisdictions are understandably simply not in play.
    Last edited by rushcreek2; 10-17-2011 at 06:50 PM.

  7. #7
    Regular Member Morbidph8's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Apache Junction, AZ
    Posts
    98
    John Stossel's the man. That vid was great. The OP story is even better. I have read a couple of CC VS OC threads on other forums. Why do the CC carry crowed think they will be attacked by trained mercs? That the BG will always go for the OC first? 99% of the BG are thugs. They have most likely never shot the gun they have, or know how to use it. I have never have done a crime. I can imagine what you would go through your mind, in order to psych yourself up for a crime. Just like the OP story BG don't care about jail or the cops. They care about armed people that will cap em if they try to commit a crime. Wish there was a like button for the OP.

  8. #8
    Regular Member MilProGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Mississippi
    Posts
    1,228

    Dahwg's excellent post!

    Dahwg:

    Thank you for sharing your encounter with us.

    That was a very interesting and thought-provoking dialogue that you had with the young man.

    The things the guy shared with you that his brother had said were especially relevent to the cause of open carry.
    Proud Veteran ~ U.S. Army / Army Reserve

    Mississippi State Guard ~ Honorably Retired


  9. #9
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Tucson, Arizona, USA
    Posts
    661
    Keep in mind this conversation is with a guy who was and his brother who is a common street thug. I would venture to say that things are a bit different with a hardened repeat offender because you then have to add desperation, brazenness and ego to the list. It depends how badly they want to do the crime, and how badly they want to do it NOW. I am willing to guess that those hardened types would be willing to wait for the OC guy to leave before doing the crime. That's just conjecture of course, could be that the hardened guy has to go through that same psychological regimen to get ready for a job that the thug does.

  10. #10
    Regular Member DocWalker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Mountain Home, Idaho, USA
    Posts
    1,968
    This is what criminals think of when picking a victim. I used to work as a Corrections Officer at a State Maximum Security Prison. I have had several discussions with the offenders about this subject and they are all the same; "If I knew he was armed or could see he was armed I would have went after someone else".

    One offender that was in prison on a sentence after mugging a 70 year old man in Idaho, turns out the 70 year old Idaho resident was armed and that is how the offender got caught. He was a repeat felon from Oakland California and said as soon as he got out of prison in Idaho he is heading back to California were he knows people are unarmed and can't defend themselves.

    California making it easier on criminals since the gold rush days.......

  11. #11
    Founder's Club Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Lynchburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,201
    While still living in the metro Phoenix area I was outside in my apartment complex parking lot, when I noticed one of my neighbors trying to get into his truck in which he'd locked his keys. After we tried for a while to penetrate his truck he decided to look for a wire coat hanger, but neither of us had one. One of the nearby apartments had a bunch of people partying out on the patio so I walked over and asked if anyone there had a coat hanger so we could get in this guy's truck. Fortunately one of the partiers said that was his specialty having just got out of prison again for car theft. Within a minute or so he was easily in the truck and retrieved the guy's keys. As we stood around chatting about how easy it was to get into certain cars I think I pointed at mine and he just stopped and said "man I don't mess around with that car." When I asked him why his response was he knew the guy was a cop or something that always carried a gun (I OCed quite frequently). I laughed and told him it was my car, but I'm no cop. At that point I found it quite funny that even the local thugs knew better than to target the car of a gun carrier. Unlike other cars in that lot, my car never was bothered.
    Last edited by jmelvin; 10-19-2011 at 03:50 PM.

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    afganastan
    Posts
    24
    What does OP mean?

  13. #13
    Regular Member SFCRetired's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Montgomery, Alabama, USA
    Posts
    1,770
    As a guess, I would rank the threats from others while you are OCing in this order:

    1. Mentally unbalanced and off meds.
    2. High on drugs, especially PSP.
    3. Any member of the Brady Bunch (be careful of this group as they have been known to have a strain of rabies)
    4. Garden variety hoplophobe (funny how they'are "afraid" of guns, but won't hesitate to get in the face of an armed man or woman).
    5. Gang-banger wanna-be.
    6. Career criminal.

    You may add threats and re-arrange the threat hierarchy to suit your area. Of the first two, the mentally unbalanced are a greater concern and threat for the very simple reason that their actions are totally unpredictable.

    While this list is just a tad tongue-in-cheek, I do believe it has an element of truth to it. What say you?

  14. #14
    Regular Member okiebryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Director, Oklahoma Open Carry Association
    Posts
    449
    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    As a guess, I would rank the threats from others while you are OCing in this order:

    1. Mentally unbalanced and off meds.
    2. High on drugs, especially PSP.
    3. Any member of the Brady Bunch Mentally unbalanced and off meds.(be careful of this group as they have been known to have a strain of rabies)
    4. Garden variety hoplophobe Mentally unbalanced and off meds.(funny how they'are "afraid" of guns, but won't hesitate to get in the face of an armed man or woman).
    5. Gang-banger wanna-be.
    6. Career criminal.

    You may add threats and re-arrange the threat hierarchy to suit your area. Of the first two, the mentally unbalanced are a greater concern and threat for the very simple reason that their actions are totally unpredictable.

    While this list is just a tad tongue-in-cheek, I do believe it has an element of truth to it. What say you?
    There, I fixed it.

  15. #15
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    America
    Posts
    2,226
    Its the same answer to the question: why can knowledgeable divers armed with only a short stick get in the water with a 25ft great white? Because the Great White doesn't want to get hurt or die from trying to get a meal if he did so on a normal basis he would die soon; and of course the shark doesn't know the diver is defenseless.
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

  16. #16
    Campaign Veteran skidmark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    North Chesterfield VA
    Posts
    10,682
    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta9mm (army) View Post
    What does OP mean?
    OP = Original Poster.

    stay safe.
    "He'll regret it to his dying day....if ever he lives that long."----The Quiet Man

    Because stupidity isn't a race, and everybody can win.

    "No matter how much contempt you have for the media in all this, you don't have enough"
    ----Allahpundit

  17. #17
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    California
    Posts
    1,797
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    OP = Original Poster.

    stay safe.
    Can also mean "Original Post" though one should be able to easily figure out which definition to apply based on the context that "OP" is used in.

  18. #18
    Campaign Veteran Verd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Lampe, Missouri, United States
    Posts
    381
    Awesome story! Thanks for sharing it.
    One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them. Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796.
    If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
    Find businesses that are pro gun and those that aren't. Support Friend or Foe by using it!

  19. #19
    Regular Member Fisherman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    45R
    Posts
    160
    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    As a guess, I would rank the threats from others while you are OCing in this order:

    1. Mentally unbalanced and off meds.
    2. High on drugs, especially PCP.
    3. Any member of the Brady Bunch Mentally unbalanced and off meds.(be careful of this group as they have been known to have a strain of rabies)
    4. Garden variety hoplophobe Mentally unbalanced and off meds.(funny how they'are "afraid" of guns, but won't hesitate to get in the face of an armed man or woman).
    5. Gang-banger wanna-be.
    6. Career criminal.

    You may add threats and re-arrange the threat hierarchy to suit your area. Of the first two, the mentally unbalanced are a greater concern and threat for the very simple reason that their actions are totally unpredictable.

    While this list is just a tad tongue-in-cheek, I do believe it has an element of truth to it. What say you?
    Quote Originally Posted by okiebryan View Post
    There, I fixed it.
    Fixed it more. "PSP" LOL Maybe he did a little too much LDS. LOL

  20. #20
    Regular Member carry for myself's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    546
    Great post! runs right along with basic criminology. the Risk vs. Gain argument. Criminals truly are lazy. but they are most of the time not stupid. if they see an unarmed citizen. its easy pickings. big payout, little risk. but the second they see a large risk, with an unknown payout. it really does play a psychological game on them.

    think of it like this. your wife drops her wedding band in the garbage disposal. your first thought is "oh ill reach in and get it" then it clicks "wait........i could lose my hand, that thing could turn on" you hesitate and usually end up disconnecting the power, removing the disposal and getting the ring. The same thing happens to criminals when they see a gun, a cop, a security officer. anyone who is armed. immediately they think "oh ill just go get this money" then it clicks and they say "well odds are this is not worth it" and they back out. only CRAZY criminals dont care. sadly there are a lot of them. and they just dont care. some have been shot before, some feel that getting shot bumps up their "street credit" , heck 50 cent brags about being shot multiple times , and now usually wears a vest. we dont.

    so while it does play a very large role in how they act, react or do not act apon a situation, there is always a chance that it wont matter to them. those are the criminals we need to watch out for. those are the dangerous ones. the stupid ones. the smart ones will usually figure their own way out of creating a situation where they will end up on a slab in the county medical examiners office. the stupid ones.........wont care.
    i would rather run out of blood, breath and life. and die fighting. than run out of ammo , and die with my pants down -Tom Scantas

  21. #21
    Campaign Veteran since9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
    Posts
    6,787
    Quote Originally Posted by carry for myself View Post
    only CRAZY criminals dont care.
    Even more reason to carry.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

  22. #22
    Regular Member XD40coyote's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    woman stuck in Maryland, ,
    Posts
    709
    There's alot of nutty people shopping at the local Goodwill store over in PA, but I've never encountered one that was WAY out there. I have often wondered what would go on in there if I OC'd there. I did it once but it was halloween and it's more likley my coyote skin was noticed. Of course what I have seen there has nothing on the daytime only weirdness my dad has seen on public transportation in the Baltimore area.

  23. #23
    Regular Member SFCRetired's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Montgomery, Alabama, USA
    Posts
    1,770
    Thanks, guys, for fixing my post. Bear in mind that I'm an old man and not up to speed on all the chemicals folks use for "recreation" nowadays. Also bear in mind that my fingers do not always type what my brain tells them to. No, I've never done LDS, although there were a couple of LDS young ladies that I would have loved to have known better in my younger years.

    What I have noticed is that the two churches I frequent, one Southern Baptist and one United Methodist, seem to attract both the mentally unbalanced and street thugs. Neither church wants firearms carried inside and I respect that but their security leaves a lot to be desired.

    Except for services at the Methodist church, I generally stay outside and stay armed around both places. The presence of my firearm seems to have a calming effect on the street thugs and even the mentally unbalanced seem to gain a sliver of lucidity.

  24. #24
    Regular Member Fisherman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    45R
    Posts
    160
    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    Thanks, guys, for fixing my post. Bear in mind that I'm an old man and not up to speed on all the chemicals folks use for "recreation" nowadays. Also bear in mind that my fingers do not always type what my brain tells them to. No, I've never done LDS, although there were a couple of LDS young ladies that I would have loved to have known better in my younger years.

    What I have noticed is that the two churches I frequent, one Southern Baptist and one United Methodist, seem to attract both the mentally unbalanced and street thugs. Neither church wants firearms carried inside and I respect that but their security leaves a lot to be desired.

    Except for services at the Methodist church, I generally stay outside and stay armed around both places. The presence of my firearm seems to have a calming effect on the street thugs and even the mentally unbalanced seem to gain a sliver of lucidity.
    Just pickin' at ya a little bit brother.

  25. #25
    Regular Member Ivan Sample's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Louisville, Kentucky, USA
    Posts
    295
    Great job and well respected!
    Capricorn

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •