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Law to allow Legal guns in all parking lots!

PDinDetroit

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Might want to change the Thread Title to BILL as that is all this is at this time.

This will be at least the 2nd Time this Bill has been introduced, hope it passes this time!
 
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Bill Information

HOUSE BILL No. 5064 said:
October 12, 2011, Introduced by Reps. Opsommer, Rendon, Lori, Horn, LeBlanc, Smiley, Agema, McMillin, Bumstead, Hooker, Heise, Yonker, Shirkey, Kurtz, Daley and Poleski and referred to the Committee on Judiciary.

A bill to amend 1927 PA 372, entitled

"An act to regulate and license the selling, purchasing, possessing, and carrying of certain firearms and gas ejecting devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying of certain firearms and gas ejecting devices without a license or other authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of firearms under certain circumstances; to provide for penalties and remedies; to provide immunity from civil liability under certain circumstances; to prescribe the powers and duties of certain state and local agencies; to prohibit certain conduct against individuals who apply for or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to prescribe certain conditions for the appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act,"

(MCL 28.421 to 28.435) by amending the title, as amended by 2000 PA 381, and by adding sections 1b and 16.

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:
TITLE
An act to regulate and license the selling, purchasing, possessing, carrying, TRANSPORTING, AND STORING of certain firearms, AMMUNITION, and gas ejecting devices; to prohibit the buying, selling, or carrying of certain firearms and gas ejecting devices without a license or other authorization; to provide for the forfeiture of firearms under certain circumstances; to provide for penalties and remedies; to provide immunity from civil liability under certain circumstances; to prescribe the powers and duties of certain state and local agencies and business entities and employers; to prohibit certain conduct against individuals who apply for or receive a license to carry a concealed pistol; to make appropriations; to prescribe certain conditions for the appropriations; and to repeal all acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act.

Sec. 1b. This act shall be known and may be cited as the "Michigan firearms act".

Sec. 16. (1) A person who lawfully possesses a firearm or ammunition may transport that firearm or ammunition in a privately owned motor vehicle or store that firearm or ammunition in a parked and locked privately owned motor vehicle that is present in a business's, commercial enterprise's, employer's, or state service agency's parking lot, parking garage, or other area designated or otherwise used for parking vehicles if the firearm is kept out of plain view and in a manner described in chapter XXXVII of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.222 to 750.239a, or otherwise allowed by law.

(2) A business, commercial enterprise, employer, or state service agency shall not prohibit a person who lawfully possesses a firearm from transporting or storing the firearm or ammunition in a locked and privately owned motor vehicle that is parked in a parking lot, parking garage, or other area designated for parking vehicles in compliance with subsection (1).

(3) Except in cases of gross negligence, a business, commercial enterprise, employer, or state service agency is not liable in a civil action for damages resulting from or arising out of another person's act involving a firearm or ammunition that is transported or stored as described in subsection (1).

(4) A person who was or would be denied the ability to transport or store a firearm or ammunition by a violation of subsection (2) and but for that violation would be or was entitled legally to do so may bring an action to enjoin any person, business entity, commercial enterprise, employer, or state service agency from violating subsection (2). A prevailing plaintiff under this subsection shall be awarded costs and attorney fees.

(5) A business, commercial enterprise, employer, or state service agency shall not discharge, or otherwise penalize, an employee for transporting or storing a firearm as authorized under subsection (1). An employee who transports or stores a firearm or ammunition as authorized under subsection (1) and is discharged by a business, commercial enterprise, employer, or state service agency for violating a policy or rule prohibited under subsection (2) may demand that the business, commercial enterprise, employer, or state service agency take all of the following actions:

(a) Reinstate the employee to the same position the employee held at the time of his or her termination from employment, or to an equivalent position.

(b) Reinstate the employee's full fringe benefits and seniority rights, if any.

(c) Compensate the employee for any lost wages, benefits, or other lost remuneration, including, but not limited to, unpaid leave or furlough, caused by the termination.

(d) Payment of reasonable attorney fees and costs incurred by the employee in seeking redress for a violation of subsection (2).

(6) If a demand described in subsection (5) is denied or the business, commercial enterprise, employer, or state service agency fails to respond to the demand within 14 days, the employee may bring a civil action in a court of competent jurisdiction for wrongfully discharging or penalizing the employee in violation of subsection (5). A prevailing plaintiff under this subsection is entitled to all of the remedies described under subsection (5), as applicable.

(7) It is a complete defense to an action under this section that compliance with this section would necessitate the violation of another applicable federal or state law or regulation. However, this defense does not apply if compliance with this section can be reconciled with the other law or regulation.

(8) This section does not apply if the motor vehicle is owned or leased by the employer and used by an employee in the course and scope of the employee's employment, unless the employee is required to transport or store a firearm in the discharge of the employee's duties.

(9) This section does not authorize a person who holds a license to carry a concealed pistol under section 5b or who is exempt from licensure to possess a concealed pistol in a concealed manner other than as prescribed under this act.

(10) As used in this section, "motor vehicle" means any vehicle that is required to be registered with the secretary of state, including, but not limited to, an automobile, truck, minivan, sports utility vehicle, or motorcycle.

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2011-HB-5064
 

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From how I understand it, this bill is designed to allow a person to keep their firearm locked in their vehicle in the parking lot of their place of employment not to allow a person to keep a gun in their car in any parking lots.
 

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I disagree. The wording indicates BUSINESSES, State Agencies, as well as employers.

That, to me, means they mean to include Businesses, State Agencies, AND employers.
 

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So if that is the case would this allow someone w/ out a CPL to keep a firearm in their vehicle on the premises of a business listed in 750.234d? or would in a manner described in chapter XXXVII of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.222 to 750.239a, or otherwise allowed by law. mean that 750.234d still applies?
 
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Concealed only?

(1) A person who lawfully possesses a firearm or
ammunition may transport that firearm or ammunition in a privately

owned motor vehicle or store that firearm



if the firearm is kept out of
plain view

Could this be interpreted that the gun now MUST be concealed when its being transported?
 

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This doesn't seem to include college campuses. Too bad!
I think the words "or other area designated or otherwise used for parking vehicles if the firearm mis kept out of plain view and in a manner described in chapter XXXVII of the Michigan penal code,1931 PA 328,MCL 750.222 to 750.239a,or otherwise allowed by law", should cover all parking unless there is law pertaining to college parking that I don't know about!
 

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The Scope here for the bill is defined for "businesses, commercial enterprises, employers, or state service agencies".

My initial thoughts on this:

1. The scope is confusing and should have provided Definitions for "businesses, commercial enterprises, employers, or state service agencies".

2. This Bill could lead to Equal Protection Under The Law Issues. Example: Employee of a State College could store a firearm in their private vehicle but not a student (assuming that a State College would not be defined as a "business").

3. This creates a possible "parking lot exemption" to MCL 750.234d (Non-CPL Pistol Free Zones) by "Law of Unintended Consequences", whereas it would be better to simply create one there like MCL 28.425o has (CPL Pistol Free Zones).

I know that other states have these types of laws, I will look one or two up later today (I believe AZ has a very simplistic one).
 

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I think the words "or other area designated or otherwise used for parking vehicles if the firearm mis kept out of plain view and in a manner described in chapter XXXVII of the Michigan penal code,1931 PA 328,MCL 750.222 to 750.239a,or otherwise allowed by law", should cover all parking unless there is law pertaining to college parking that I don't know about!

The above part you posted is part of a subordinate clause pertaining to the Scope defined for "businesses, commercial enterprises, employers, or state service agencies". Only if a college could be considered one of these entities, would that subordinate clause apply (does not stand alone).
 

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This doesn't seem to include college campuses. Too bad!

From the legal dictionary at Law.com

business
n. any activity or enterprise entered into for profit. It does not mean it is a company, a corporation, partnership, or has any such formal organization, but it can range from a street peddler to General Motors. It is sometimes significant to determine if an accident, visit, travel, meal or other activity was part of "business" or for pleasure or no particular purpose

So the question is, does a public college or university seek to make a profit?

Bronson
 
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