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    need to know if my understanding is correct.......

    hey all,
    need to know if my understanding about OC in boulder city is correct. it seems to me that i can OC in boulder city limits as long as the magazine is removed from the firearm and said magazine is located on another part of my person. is my translation of boulder law correct or incorrect? any help would be greatly appreciated. thought about just asking a boulder city law dawg but i figure i'd have better luck getting the truth here from you all. what's your understanding/translation of boulder city law? thanks and be well.

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    Boulder City ordinances cannot trump state law. You can OC loaded in Boulder.

    They may not like it and you may get some grief from the local LEOs but the law is on your side. I highly suggest you carry a digital voice recorder in the event of a police encounter. There are threads here about OCing in Boulder, they are a worthwhile read.
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    right on. thank you. i am new here but will look up as many threads on here as i can. again, thank you. much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter McGee View Post
    right on. thank you. i am new here but will look up as many threads on here as i can. again, thank you. much appreciated.
    Smart response!

    Yes, Boulder city law says "no." Colorado State law says "yes." Boulder city police department would rather ignore state law, which, by both their law and their oath they cannot.

    That might stick in their craw, but if so, perhaps they found the wrong job in the wrong state.
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    thanks since9. i am in rollinsville, about 25 miles west by southwest of boulder and i do go there sometimes to run errands i can't accomplish here in the hills. i very much dislike boulder and the smug, yogurt, sprout eating boulder-ites. i am new to OC(started to OC in august for the first time and every freaking day since) and haven't yet tried it in boulder as i try to avoid boulder at all costs but coming soon i'll be making my first go at it. if anything exciting happens i'll be sure to get it up on here for all to read but hopefully it goes smooth and i'll have nothing to report. i already have my voice recorder and my facts straight. bring it bouldah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter McGee View Post
    thanks since9. i am in rollinsville, about 25 miles west by southwest of boulder and i do go there sometimes to run errands i can't accomplish here in the hills. i very much dislike boulder and the smug, yogurt, sprout eating boulder-ites. i am new to OC(started to OC in august for the first time and every freaking day since) and haven't yet tried it in boulder as i try to avoid boulder at all costs but coming soon i'll be making my first go at it. if anything exciting happens i'll be sure to get it up on here for all to read but hopefully it goes smooth and i'll have nothing to report. i already have my voice recorder and my facts straight. bring it bouldah!
    This post proves that your understanding of Boulder is spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter McGee View Post
    sprout eating....
    Watch it now. I LOVE sprouts.

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    What code are citing? IIRC, the code makes exception for carrying for lawful self-defense under state law. There's no "immediate need" clause TMK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter McGee View Post
    hey all,
    need to know if my understanding about OC in boulder city is correct. it seems to me that i can OC in boulder city limits as long as the magazine is removed from the firearm and said magazine is located on another part of my person. is my translation of boulder law correct or incorrect? any help would be greatly appreciated. thought about just asking a boulder city law dawg but i figure i'd have better luck getting the truth here from you all. what's your understanding/translation of boulder city law? thanks and be well.
    so after about a solid almost week of reading all 45 pages on this here forum and researching every possible applicable law for firearms in colorado i have answered my original question from this here post. i'd like to thank all who put in the time in other older posts about the laws, especially pertaining to boulder. it was a huge help with all the info posted by others and quickly got me pointed in the right direction to learn and read the laws for myself. so again, thank you all.

    and kingfish, i dig on sprouts too. yogurt as well. just seemed like an appropriate description of boulder-ites.

    oi! OC for me. everyday, everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter McGee View Post
    so after about a solid almost week of reading all 45 pages on this here forum and researching every possible applicable law for firearms in colorado i have answered my original question from this here post.
    So, for the "next guy" who comes along, what answer did you come up with? IOW, can you summarize your findings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahkagari View Post
    So, for the "next guy" who comes along, what answer did you come up with? IOW, can you summarize your findings?
    so here is what i came up with. i now have this printed out with a copy in my wallet and a copy hanging on the wall of my office and i try to read it every time i walk by it. i consider it to be 'everything' i would need to know to handle a confrontation with a LEO. it is more of a study guide and i will pull it out when the situation warrants it. if there is anything to add or anything i missed by all means please add to it.

    •- Do you have RAS or PC to make this contact with me? If no then this contact can and will be considered inappropriate, if not illegal under Colo. Rev. Stat. 16-3-103(1): In order to lawfully detain an individual for questioning: (1) A police officer must have a reasonable suspicion that the individual has committed, or is about to commit, a crime; (2) the purpose of the detention must be reasonable; and (3) the character of the detention must be reasonable when considered in light of the purpose.
    -! LAWFUL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM DOES NOT CONSTITUTE RAS or PC !-
    -In 2003, the State Legislature and then Governor Owens deemed that the power to address gun violence in Colorado through laws SHALL NOT be in the domain of the affected communities, rather it should rest only in the hands of the state. By this legislation (SB03-25), all local firearm ordinances have been declared unenforceable.
    –C.R.S 29-11.7-101. Legislative Declaration: (1) The general assembly hereby finds that: (a) Section 3 of article II of the State Constitution, the article referred to as the state bill of rights, declares that all persons have certain inalienable rights, which include the right to defend their lives and liberties; (b) Section 13 of article II of the State Constitution protects the fundamental right of a person to keep and bear arms and implements section 3 of article II of the state constitution; (c) The general assembly recognizes a duty to protect and defend the fundamental civil rights set forth in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this subsection (1); (d) There exists a widespread inconsistency among jurisdictions within the state with regard to firearms regulations; (e) This inconsistency among local government laws regulating lawful firearm possession and ownership has extraterritorial impact on state citizens and the general public by subjecting them to criminal and civil penalties in some jurisdictions for conduct wholly lawful in other jurisdictions; (f) Inconsistency among local governments of laws regulating the possession and ownership of firearms results in persons being treated differently under the law solely on the basis of where they reside, and a person's residence in a particular county or city or city and county is not a rational classification when it is the basis for denial of equal treatment under the law; (g) This inconsistency places citizens in the position of not knowing when they may be violating the local laws and therefore being unable to avoid violating the law and becoming subject to criminal and other penalties. (2) Based on the findings specified in subsection (1) of this section, the general assembly concludes that: (a) The regulation of firearms is a matter of statewide concern;(b) It is necessary to provide statewide laws concerning the possession and ownership of a firearm to ensure that law-abiding persons are not unfairly placed in the position of unknowingly committing crimes involving firearms.
    –C.R.S 29-11.7-101(2): refers to the regulation of firearms as a matter of statewide concern and declares a need for statewide uniformity of regulation in the area of firearms. That statute also declares that inconsistency among local jurisdictions has an extraterritorial impact on state citizens and the general public. Id.
    –C.R.S 29-11.7-102. Firearms Database - Prohibited (1) A local government, including a law enforcement agency, shall not maintain a list or other form of record or database of: (a) persons who purchase or exchange firearms or who leave firearms for repair or sale on consignment; (b) persons who transfer firearms, unless the persons are federally licensed firearms dealers; (c) the descriptions, including serial numbers, of firearms purchased, transferred, exchanged, or left for repair or sale on consignment.
    –C.R.S 29-11.7-103: A local government may not enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the sale, purchase, or possession of a firearm that a person may lawfully sell, purchase, or possess under state or federal law. Any such ordinance, regulation, or other law enacted by a local government prior to March 18, 2003, is void and unenforceable.
    –C.R.S 29-11.7-104: Complete state preemption of firearms laws except that localities may prohibit the open carrying of firearms in a building or specific area within their jurisdiction and the local government must post signage to that effect at all public entrances to the building or specific area. The Colorado Appeals Court has ruled that ONLY Denver is not subject to state preemption regarding open carry.
    -18-12-105.6. Limitation On Local Ordinances Regarding Firearms In Private Vehicles (1) The general assembly hereby finds that: (a) A person carrying a weapon in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for hunting or for lawful protection of such person's or another persons or property, as permitted in sections 18-12-105 (2) (b) and 18-12-105.5 (3) (c), may tend to travel within a county, city and county, or municipal jurisdiction or in or through different county, city and county, and municipal jurisdictions, en route to the person's destination; (b) Inconsistent laws exist in local jurisdictions with regard to the circumstances under which weapons may be carried in automobiles and other private means of conveyance; (c) This inconsistency creates a confusing patchwork of laws that unfairly subjects a person who lawfully travels with a weapon in or through one jurisdiction to criminal penalties because he or she travels within a jurisdiction or into or through another jurisdiction; (d) This inconsistency places citizens in the position of not knowing when they may be violating local laws while traveling within a jurisdiction or in, through, or between different jurisdictions, and therefore being unable to avoid committing a crime. (2) (a)Based on the findings specified in subsection (1) of this section, the general assembly concludes that the carrying of weapons in private automobiles or other private means of conveyance for hunting or for lawful protection of a person's or another person's or property while traveling into, or through, or within, a municipal, county, or city and county jurisdiction, regardless of the number of times the person stops in a jurisdiction, is a matter of statewide concern and is not an offense. (b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no municipality, county, or city and county shall have the authority to enact or enforce any ordinance or resolution that would restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for hunting or for lawful protection of a person's or another person's or property while traveling into, or through, or within, a municipal, county, or city and county jurisdiction, regardless of the number of times the person stops in a jurisdiction.
    Moreover, section 18-12-105.6(2) provides that: no municipality, county, or city and county shall have the authority to enact or enforce any ordinance or resolution that would restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon…while traveling into, through, or within a municipal, county, or city and county jurisdiction.
    - 18-12-204. Permit Contents - Validity - Carrying Requirements (3) (a) a person who may lawfully possess a handgun may carry a handgun under the following circumstances without obtaining a permit and the handgun shall not be considered concealed: (I) the handgun is in the possession of a person who is in a private automobile or in some other private means of conveyance and who carries the handgun for a legal use, including self-defense.
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    •- Any statement I make, or alleged consent I give, in response to your questions is hereby made under protest and under duress and in submission to your claim of lawful authority to force me to provide you with information.

    in conclusion i have found that outside of denver and denver county OC is legal, except where it is posted otherwise, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. no civilian or law dawg.
    Last edited by Shooter McGee; 10-30-2011 at 11:17 AM.

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