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    Reciprocity for out of staters?

    I noticed on the list of states with permits recognized by Wisconsin, Missouri is not listed. Anyone know why?

    I have friends there who said they did have to pass a background check and take an 8-hour course. This should be sufficient for Wisconsin to recognize their permits!

    http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/...11018.docx.pdf
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    There appear to be a couple things that delay WI recognition (not reciprocity, that is two way, this is only a one way list...WI will recognize these states...it says nothing about the state that will recognize WI)

    First, all of the states were sent a request for their current law, and if they could reach an agreement with WI. If the state did not respond yet, it will not be on the list.

    Second, it has nothing to do with "training". WA requires no training for a CPL, but WA is on the list.

    I THINK the problem could also be the secondary local criminal/mental health check. WI (WA also) does not think the NCIS check is enough. They also require a local criminal/mental health check to make sure something has not fallen through the cracks.

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    The mental health aspect isn't mentioned on the DOJ website. http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/...ealedCarry.asp

    Copy and paste of the relevant section:
    "Out-of-state Licenses Recognized in Wisconsin
    Licensees from any of the listed states will be recognized in Wisconsin as an out-of-state licensee per Sec. 175.60 (1)(g) Wis. Stats. This was determined based on the statutory requirement in s. 165.25 (12) that the listed state requires, or designates that the holder chose to submit, to a background search that is comparable to Wisconsin’s background check in s. 175.60 (1)(ac). Wisconsin’s background check includes only two components (1) A criminal history record search; (2) A search of the national instant criminal background check system (NICS). If another states background check meets the same requirements a Wisconsin resident must meet, the DOJ has recognized that state. The DOJ has tried to be as inclusive as possible and will periodically check and update the list if other states can be added. This list is current as of 10/18/11:

    Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wyoming, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands"

    And I know the training 'shouldn't' have anything to do with it, but since they decided we needed a minimum of 4 hours, I thought maybe the DOJ decided others we would recognize would as well.

    That being said, I wonder if MO just didn't respond by the date listed (10/18/11)?

    And I guess it's just semantics, but it would be reciprocity since Missouri will recognize ours as of Nov1. Not an official agreement, but the same result. They recognize all other states' permits by statute. source: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/missouri.pdf

    ETA: According to Missouri's website we do honor their permit!?! http://ago.mo.gov/Concealed-Weapons/ Obviously our list is the one that counts...
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    The MO attorney general's website is showing that WI will honor a MO permit, but that is not what the WI DOJ website says. Very Interesting - and a harbinger of confusion yet to come to the newly enacted WI Concealed Carry Law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpm84092 View Post
    The MO attorney general's website is showing that WI will honor a MO permit, but that is not what the WI DOJ website says. Very Interesting - and a harbinger of confusion yet to come to the newly enacted WI Concealed Carry Law.
    Could be WI DOJ just hasn't updated website yet. List was updated as of 10/18.

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    So many threads...didn't want to start yet another.

    Pennsylvania honors the WI permit.
    Last edited by mrjam2jab; 10-26-2011 at 07:51 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    So many threads...didn't want to start yet another.

    Pennsylvania honors the WI permit.
    The following states have been granted statutory reciprocity without a formal written agreement under [Pennsylvania] 6106(b)(15), based on the determination of the Attorney General that the other state has granted reciprocity to Pennsylvania license holders, and that the other state's laws governing firearms are similar.

    • Colorado
    • Iowa
    • Idaho
    • Indiana
    • Louisiana
    • Montana
    • North Dakota
    • Utah
    • Wisconsin
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