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    Open Carry Supressor?

    A friend and I were discussing the supressor laws (both of us very happy it passed), but were curious if anyone has open-carried a silenced pistol yet? What kind of reactions have you had? Any legal issues revolving around it that I am unnaware of? What are your thoughts regarding it?

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    P.S. This is in regards to WA state only, not intended to get too much into out of state issues.
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    Not really seeing why someone would carry their self defense gun with a suppressor on? Just with the increased time it would take to draw the weapon out to use it in a time of need.
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    On the other hand the more rapid follow-up shots, improved hearing to detect additional danger, and lack of night blindness from muzzle flash in low light might just make up for the additional draw time.
    YMMV.

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    Not to mention you'd probably need a special holster, and most suppressors block the sights on the gun.
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    As a person with almost no normal hearing left...I can really like the idea of carrying a supressed weapon...however...they have not made them small enough for that to be practical yet.

    Hum, project...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim675 View Post
    On the other hand the more rapid follow-up shots, improved hearing to detect additional danger, and lack of night blindness from muzzle flash in low light might just make up for the additional draw time.
    YMMV.
    I have not used a suppressor but I do not see an increase in follow up shots and likely there will still be a muzzle flash.
    It has been reported that in an emergency as a self defense shooting, no negative effect to the hearing.
    First one to hit their target has an increased chance of coming out ahead though there are exceptions.
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    The suppressor's added weight to the front of the pistol reduces muzzle flip, allowing faster target re-acquisition. Muzzle flash depends on the host weapon and the projectile you are shooting. Usually though, there will be no flash, unless you are standing in front of it... Which wouldn't be a good spot to be.
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    isnt there a huge fee involved in getting one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    I have not used a suppressor but I do not see an increase in follow up shots and likely there will still be a muzzle flash.
    It has been reported that in an emergency as a self defense shooting, no negative effect to the hearing.
    First one to hit their target has an increased chance of coming out ahead though there are exceptions.
    Try one out. Suppressors work by delaying the gas out the front. During that delay much of the combustion process is completed leaving little or nothing to burn (flash) after exiting the suppressor.

    Your brain/senses/perceptions can be altered by your state of agitation, but your ear is still subject to the laws of physics. Unsuppressed gunshots damage hearing. Every single time. Just because you are too busy to heed the ringing in your ears does not mean that the ear didn't just get a walloping.

    First hit certainly scores an advantage. That's why I said "might just make up for the additional draw time". It just depends on the situation. If you can draw the gun and prepare for the situation before you have to shoot the suppressor is an advantage.

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    I'd OC with a suppressor attached, if I had one. I'd definitely keep one attached to my nightstand gun, again if I had one. I haven't seen anything that says you can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post

    isnt there a huge fee involved in getting one.
    Not a huge fee. But you do need to carry around the piece of paper saying you paid for your tax stamp (or a copy thereof).

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Not a huge fee.
    $200 isn't huge? Considering that that fee can be anywhere from 25%-50% of the purchase price for the weapon it's attached to (regarding pistols one would carry openly) I'd call it fairly "huge".

    What would you say if you had to pay that percentage of your car/truck's purchase price for a license?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post

    isnt there a huge fee involved in getting one.
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    I see no compelling reason to carry a suppressor in my normal everyday American life. I think it would be contrary to my image and the desire I have to make carry (open or concealed) commonplace.

    I do think it's totally cool that we can shoot them now though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    $200 isn't huge? Considering that that fee can be anywhere from 25%-50% of the purchase price for the weapon it's attached to (regarding pistols one would carry openly) I'd call it fairly "huge".

    What would you say if you had to pay that percentage of your car/truck's purchase price for a license?
    Ah! You are beginning to see why the tax was set - and for folks in 1934 $200 was a lot more money than it is today. Just be glad we are not paying in 2011 dollars what $200 was back then. Remember, back then a family of 4 could live on the wages of a man making $5 per week - and that was a 5 1/2-day week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Ah! You are beginning to see why the tax was set - and for folks in 1934 $200 was a lot more money than it is today. Just be glad we are not paying in 2011 dollars what $200 was back then. Remember, back then a family of 4 could live on the wages of a man making $5 per week - and that was a 5 1/2-day week.

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    Bingo. Going from $200 in 1934 was equivalent to about $3200 in 2010.

    Still a ridiculous fee, but didn't stop me from buying three suppressors this year
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    As to carrying a pistol with a suppressor attached I feel will hinder on two fronts, one the suppressor is close to the same length of the handgun of choice and would become very cumbersome to draw not to mention in an emergency. Secondly the reasoning of OCDO is to normalize the public in not becoming alarmed to citizens exercising their rights and carrying in this fashion I feel will deter a positive view from most.

    If you do intend to make that move to carry while having a suppressor attached, make sure it is in a drop leg holster, wearing camouflage with black hat and boots and your Concealed Pistol Badge clearly displayed.
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    Carry what you want and how you want, as long as it doesn't endanger anyway it matters not to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    As to carrying a pistol with a suppressor attached I feel will hinder on two fronts, one the suppressor is close to the same length of the handgun of choice and would become very cumbersome to draw not to mention in an emergency. Secondly the reasoning of OCDO is to normalize the public in not becoming alarmed to citizens exercising their rights and carrying in this fashion I feel will deter a positive view from most.

    If you do intend to make that move to carry while having a suppressor attached, make sure it is in a drop leg holster, wearing camouflage with black hat and boots and your Concealed Pistol Badge clearly displayed.
    I'd rather make a dangle holster and (semi) conceal it from under my kilt ....

    I don't own a suppressor, and probably would not OC one (or CC) - i was just curious about everyone's thoughts on it
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    Would you want to carry the long slide version of your favorite handgun? I certainly would not.

    Putting a suppressor on even some of the most modest sized handguns makes them easily a foot long, most would end up being longer than that. Is that something you really want to carry around all day?
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    Unless you actually train and are familiar with how the pistol shoots with the suppressor attached, why would you want to?

    Your only going to throw off your own aim, In an emergency which will normally throw you entirely back to muscle memory, it will be compromised by the can unless you have trained with it.

    The only advantages that I see with a suppressor would be sound dampening and a bit of flash hinder. I would consider these far more important for an enclosed space, such as for home defense where you may normally be able to setup an ambush for an intruder.

    In a split second street encounter, I just don't see it being enough of a help.

    I also don't think the public is ready for that in our state. You would probably have people calling 911 claiming you were carrying an "Assault Rifle."

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    Quote Originally Posted by massivedesign View Post
    The suppressor's added weight to the front of the pistol reduces muzzle flip...
    The weight helps but it's more to do with the slowing of the gasses and reduced muzzle energy that reduces recoil. It's a simple matter of physics, slow the gas and you reduce the energy of that gas. F=MA baby!

    Quote Originally Posted by FMCDH View Post
    Your only going to throw off your own aim, In an emergency which will normally throw you entirely back to muscle memory, it will be compromised by the can unless you have trained with it.

    The only advantages that I see with a suppressor would be sound dampening and a bit of flash hinder. I would consider these far more important for an enclosed space, such as for home defense where you may normally be able to setup an ambush for an intruder.
    So what you're saying is shoot more often with the suppressor. I fail to see the downside to this other than more cleaning
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    It was something I was looking into - concealed since adding a suppressor would sure draw attention to your gun and be a target for a vary valuable item for a criminal as opposed to just having a gun itself.

    This would be my setup...

    Hogue Powerspeed Holster
    Sig 1911 Tac Ops Carry model
    AAC TiRant 45

    Several issues... YOU can't sit down... a normal holster will be way to slow on the draw.


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    This discussion appears to be getting into the realm of carrying "Long Guns"
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