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    Wisconsin Capitol to allow guns, Assembly on floor, in galleries.


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    There's a pole in the page..... hit it...... we're getting crushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trip20 View Post
    There's a pole in the page..... hit it...... we're getting crushed.
    were still getting crushed by the Scummy Socialist anti-gun Libs that reside in most parts of the sewer called Milwaukee.
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    There are only 70 responses so far. I'm not too worried. WAVE got all their people to vote already, so that leaves the rest of America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    There are only 70 responses so far. I'm not too worried. WAVE got all their people to vote already, so that leaves the rest of America.
    some funny stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    There are only 70 responses so far. I'm not too worried. WAVE got all their people to vote already, so that leaves the rest of America.
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    Are we able to cross post this in other forums like political talk?

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    From the article:
    "During massive protests this spring, the administration installed metal detectors to ensure no weapons were brought into the building. The protests were overwhelmingly peaceful, but lawmakers from both sides received death threats by email and phone."


    WTF? The protests were not overhelmingly peaceful. Desecrating the Capitol, the memorials inside, confronting and yelling and lawmakers, blocking them from walking to their offices. Chanting non stop during sessions, yelling "SHAME SHAME etc etc"

    That's "overwhelmingly" peaceful? They have no hope, the JS.

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    look who's back

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    Just do not take pictures or video no matter how tempting.



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    I thought that it was legal to record in public in WI. Am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyGuy View Post
    I thought that it was legal to record in public in WI. Am I wrong?
    When did a silly little thing like "legality" ever bother the powers that be?
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    The Statehouse is not public property but the property of the sovereign, such as it is, and may make, and has made, clearly unconstitutional rules. For instance the Legislature is arguably not subject to Open Meetings/Records law, much to the chagrin of SEIU in January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    The Statehouse is not public property but the property of the sovereign, such as it is, and may make, and has made, clearly unconstitutional rules. For instance the Legislature is arguably not subject to Open Meetings/Records law, much to the chagrin of SEIU in January.
    Just for my reference; where did you get that from? I believe we are the sovereigns (the people) and we created the government so that in all matters that don't concern a justifiable interest in state/national security I can not believe what you wrote to be true. The open meetings/records law is a different animal; laws being subject to the legislature. The legislature however; is still subject to the supreme law of the land which they can not change without a large consensus. Also, IIRC; the legislature passed that bill this spring under some sort of emergency rules and a 24 hour notice allowed by the open meetings law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TyGuy View Post
    I thought that it was legal to record in public in WI. Am I wrong?


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    The irony being, I believe that those rules were put in place by the democrats in the previous administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    There are only 70 responses so far. I'm not too worried. WAVE got all their people to vote already, so that leaves the rest of America.
    you nailed it !!!!

    as of 2:30 pm
    Is allowing people to carry guns in the state Capitol a good idea or bad idea?
    Good idea: 57%
    Bad idea: 43%
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    they still don't understand the law...

    Lawmakers are developing their own policies that would allow individual lawmakers to decide whether to allow guns into their offices.
    They don't quite seem to grasp the concept...
    The entire building may ban or allow.
    Nothing in the law says they can make rules for their own little fiefdoms,
    or the Senate vs. the Assembly,
    or the gallery vs. the floor.
    The law already prohibits in the courtroom; I think only while court is in session, but if someone can quote a statute to correct me I'd appreciate it.

    Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller (D-Monona):
    "I don't think there should be weapons in the Capitol," Miller said. "People should be able to enter public buildings and feel safe. . . . There's children who come in the building, for Pete's sake."
    Yes, Mr. Miller, people should be able to feel safe in a public building.
    And with the ability to protect ourselves, we will.
    Aren't your children worth protecting, in any way you can?
    Or are you saying that you think the citizens who have gone through the rigamarole of having yet another background check & paying a tax to exercise their rights in a publicly-owned building are dangerous?
    And if you think we are dangerous, why don't you keep the metal detectors & armed guards to keep the criminals out? (You know, the people who break laws & harm innocent people.)

    I disagree with banning cameras or signs in the galleries.
    These are public servants working in a public building. They are open to scrutiny.
    And the freedom of speech thing?
    How can they even think of infringing that right? They can't even pretend there's any "public safety interest".
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    There is an updated article with a link to Walker's policy concerning state employees being able to carry concealed in most state buildings....

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...132785253.html

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    And allow employee carry!

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    LOL wtf. They inserted this little bit into the middle of the story, which had ZERO to do with anything else in the entire story.

    On Thursday, a jury in Milwaukee found Jesus Gonzalez guilty of first-degree reckless homicide and first-degree reckless injury in the May 2010 shootings of two unarmed men on the south side. Gonzalez had been an advocate of openly and legally carrying guns for self-protection, a movement that grew in Wisconsin during the time when the state prohibited concealed carry.

    Gonzalez argued that he acted in self-defense but presented no real case at trial and has never spoken publicly about the shootings beyond what he told a 911 operator
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    I'm glad the State has (at least for now, & conditionally) decided that lawfully-armed citizens are not a threat & should be allowed in taxpayer-owned buildings.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...132785253.html
    Dana Brueck, a spokeswoman for Van Hollen and the state Department of Justice, made clear Friday that under the law, visitors with concealed carry permits can carry their weapons openly or hidden in public buildings in Wisconsin unless it's posted to prohibit the weapons. The guns could include a handgun as well as a shotgun, hunting rifle or semiautomatic assault rifle as long as the firearm is legal to possess, she said.
    !!!!! No, long guns are not legal in taxpayer-owned buildings, & that does NOT change with the new law. A cc permit does NOT affect long guns at all. In fact, it specifically says things like "firearms that are not long guns" or "handguns". So I guess that takes care of the "legal to possess" clause in her statement.

    A Department of Administration spokesman said that open carry was "generally prohibited" in state buildings.
    Is now. Won't be with a permit. Needs to read the law.

    Rep. Brett Hulsey (D-Madison), a gun owner and hunter, said that the new policy and the possibility of open carry as well was "craziness" and would make the public less safe.
    Because there have been so many problems in other states, or in WI with OC, right?

    In general, the new policy will allow state employees to carry a concealed gun if they have the proper permit...
    Good.
    But then wait...:
    State workers will have to notify their supervisor in writing that they have a permit and intend to carry a concealed weapon before doing so. The employees must keep the weapon concealed at all times "unless lawfully using the weapon," the policy says.
    At least it doesn't say that the supervisor can veto it.
    But wait...:
    ...individual state agencies will add to the interim policy for employees in the coming months.
    Rep. Donna Seidel (D-Wausau), a former police officer, said Friday she was concerned about guns being carried into committee rooms, since they are sometimes packed with people who must squeeze past one another to move, increasing the chances of an accidental shooting.

    What an idiot! If the pistol is holstered, the trigger is covered, so there's no chance of an ND.
    Wonder how many NDs she's had, with an attitude like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
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    What an idiot! If the pistol is holstered, the trigger is covered, so there's no chance of an ND.
    Wonder how many NDs she's had, with an attitude like that?
    No, no, no.... Don't you know if there are more than three holstered handguns in the same room the guns will get in a gunfight by themselves. They just jump out of the holster and start shooting...it's crazy......
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