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Aknazer

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Priceless, this dude deserves some cash with no expectation of a product or service in return.

The non-christian Arab/Muslim comment is spot on and directly related to the socialist liberal comment. Well, I think so anyway.

It is not spot on. It discriminates against people based off of their ethnicity and then provides an exception if they happen to believe the same thing he does. Aiming it at Muslims only would be one thing as it is saying that those who follow that religion he feels have shown to make a poor choice, but one can't control being an Arab.

Yes he is. As an atheist, and someone who respects the rights of others to believe how they wish, I will not do business with a bigot when I can help it. And yes, he has the right to do business with whom he pleases, but I don't buy his "ability to make sound judgements" argument. I don't believe in the judeo-christian god for the same reason that Christians don't believe in any of the other gods. So by that argument, anyone that's religious doesn't have an ability to make sound judgements-which I do not believe.

I wouldn't say he's a bigot as he apparently tolerates any religion outside of Muslims. The closest thing to a bigotted statement that he makes is blind discrimination against Arabs unless they are Christian. And while yes you can twist his arguement to say that anyone who follows a belief that you don't believe in doesn't have the ability to make sound judgements, that isn't what he comes across as saying. At least to me he has come across and said that he doesn't believe it to be a sound judgement to follow a religion that teaches it is basically ok to wage war on the "infidels" who refuse to follow the Muslim way. One could say it is akin to following Christianity back during the dark ages when it waged war on those who refused to convert and also worked to oppress the the people in order to keep them under the thumb of the church.


Note that I'm not saying being a Muslim is bad choice (though I will say following those extremist teachings are a bad choice), I'm simply trying to look at it from what is most likely his view.
 

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It is not spot on. It discriminates against people based off of their ethnicity and then provides an exception if they happen to believe the same thing he does. Aiming it at Muslims only would be one thing as it is saying that those who follow that religion he feels have shown to make a poor choice, but one can't control being an Arab.



I wouldn't say he's a bigot as he apparently tolerates any religion outside of Muslims. The closest thing to a bigotted statement that he makes is blind discrimination against Arabs unless they are Christian. And while yes you can twist his arguement to say that anyone who follows a belief that you don't believe in doesn't have the ability to make sound judgements, that isn't what he comes across as saying. At least to me he has come across and said that he doesn't believe it to be a sound judgement to follow a religion that teaches it is basically ok to wage war on the "infidels" who refuse to follow the Muslim way. One could say it is akin to following Christianity back during the dark ages when it waged war on those who refused to convert and also worked to oppress the the people in order to keep them under the thumb of the church.


Note that I'm not saying being a Muslim is bad choice (though I will say following those extremist teachings are a bad choice), I'm simply trying to look at it from what is most likely his view.

According to dictionary.com and most other definitions of bigot I've read you are correct! Being tolerant of all but one belief does not meet the criteria of "utterly intolerant of ANY..."

"a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."
 

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According to dictionary.com and most other definitions of bigot I've read you are correct! Being tolerant of all but one belief does not meet the criteria of "utterly intolerant of ANY..."

"a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."


Perhaps you missed Merriam-Webster's definition



Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot


I would say he regards members of a group with intolerance(both ethnic and political groups). I am comfortable with and will stand by calling this man a bigot.
 

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::: Rant hat on :::

It's funny how only white people are accused of being racist or biggots while all colors of people from all religions and all backgrounds have some sort, no matter how faint, of dastaste or distrust for another race. Hell take a look at the NAACP. Those hate mongers accuse everyone else of having the problem all the while they are racist. Even the name of their orginazation is racist. If you look hard enough at any statement for long enough you could find racism even if that is not the intention of the person who made the comment. Throught my life I personally have encountered things that have made me believe cartain things. While I believe these certain things I have never done anything or told anyone to do anything that would cause another harm physically, fincanially, or otherwise. I don't think I should be labeled a racist for my beliefs and I dont think he should either unless he did refuse someone service for the reasons he listed in his ad.

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Well someone took issue with it. He is under investigation for possible discrimination.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/ad-gun-training-bars-muslims-obama-voters-153954962.html




"Conduct by an instructor that denied service to individuals on the basis of race, ethnicity or religion would place that instructor's certification by the Department at risk of suspension or revocation."

This bigot is not denying "the" service to anyone he is denying "his" service to certain individuals. While I don't agree with his bigotry, I do believe that a bigot has the right to be a bigot. I would prefer to know someone's true feelings, as opposed to them hiding them and letting them fester. I have friends(as I'm sure we all do) who hold beliefs that are bigoted, Hell I probably have some beliefs that are bigoted. While I may not agree with all my friends perceptions(or they with mine), it does not make them "bad", or any less my friend. I do, however, have very strong beliefs about the government telling it's citizens what they should believe and how they should act on those beliefs.

In this case, I believe the man to be a fool, but this fool isn't stopping any potential student from seeking the service elsewhere.
 

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::: Rant hat on :::

It's funny how only white people are accused of being racist or biggots while all colors of people from all religions and all backgrounds have some sort, no matter how faint, of dastaste or distrust for another race. Hell take a look at the NAACP. Those hate mongers accuse everyone else of having the problem all the while they are racist. Even the name of their orginazation is racist. If you look hard enough at any statement for long enough you could find racism even if that is not the intention of the person who made the comment. Throught my life I personally have encountered things that have made me believe cartain things. While I believe these certain things I have never done anything or told anyone to do anything that would cause another harm physically, fincanially, or otherwise. I don't think I should be labeled a racist for my beliefs and I dont think he should either unless he did refuse someone service for the reasons he listed in his ad.

::: Rant hat off :::

This is a valid argument, but one that has no bearing on the discussion at hand. Just because "everyone else" does it doesn't make it right or justified.

This sounds too much like those political arguments where one person says "Bush spent too much on wars," then someone else retorts with "Clinton spent too much money on social programs." Okay, maybe he did, but we're not talking about Clinton, we're talking about Bush.

We're not talking about bigoted minorities, we're talking about this one guy.
 

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According to dictionary.com and most other definitions of bigot I've read you are correct! Being tolerant of all but one belief does not meet the criteria of "utterly intolerant of ANY..."

"a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."
If you're serious, I can only facepalm. The word "any" alone doesn't mean all. It sure as hell doesn't mean all in the quoted text, it doesn't even mean multiple.

That statement is saying any one of those things and one or more example. If it meant all it would have said all instead of any and creed, belief and opinion would have all been plural instead of singular. Even if those words were plural, any still wouldn't mean all.


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Okay so... There's one person who has made public referance in the media...
"The fact is, if you are a devout Muslim, then you cannot be a true American," he told local news station KVUE, while fielding calls congratulating him for his stance. "Why should I arm these people to kill me? That's suicide."

And... there's nothing wrong with that? That's okay and fine and dandy? ... That's his opinion, right? He's entitled to it, and can deny services to whomever he wishes, right? /sarcasm

Something about his words and ad just doesn't really set well with me. He implies that, if you are a Muslim, then you are not an American. Okay... fine for him, fine for his opinion. But he is offering services, services relating to firearms. Now, bear with me a moment... Let's say he is a bigot only in words, and doesn't actually act on those words. What if he teaches a class, and get's a bit side-tracked, and start's talking about his opinions, and how a certain group of people are not American's, and should be denied a permit. His words may seem harmless, and such, but words carry power, and meaning. As an old Buddhist quote states; "Words have the power to both destroy, and heal".

It's my personal opinion that his man should have his license revoked, and barred from teaching any classes relating to firearms.

Not to go off topic, but this goes hand-in-hand with a personal experience of mine. When I went to High-school, there was a certain Teacher who taught Government & History. Now, normally that'd be fine, but this particular preacher/teacher, he may have been good at history and government, and good at that portion of his job. But he had a habit of talking down about people, especially those in his class, who wasn't White, Christrian, or straight. And often made subtle comments about it, encouraging other's to speak out against said groups.

Following that class, one of the students got with his friends, and assaulted my High school love, and his African-American friend. The teacher was over looked, and never reprimanded, or talked to. It was largely ignored.

Both the instructor and the teacher have one major thing in common. Their both teachers, and pass on knowledge (No matter how maligned). Their both White, and yes, they both have an opinion and a right to their beliefs. But... BUT! The people they teach may shrug it off, and stick to the meaningful education, but then again, a few of the people may walk away with a biased, bigoted outlook on a certain group of people, of whatever origin, belief, ethnicity, or orientation. And they now have a concealed permit, and ... That scares me. It seriously, honest-to-Gods scare's me.

(Edit, to add this phrase in) This is why the Open carry, and on a larger scale, the 2nd Amendment group get's so much bad press, and are stereotyped as being "gun toting right-wing extremists". Because of this one guy, his ad, his instruction, and the people who support him. To quote a medic friend of mine, who I sent the youtube video to; "This is why we can't have nice things."

I'm all for the right to firearms, and protection, and carrying them, openly or concealed. Also; granted, naturally people may have bigoted, or biased ideals, and beliefs. But that is NO excuse to carry on publicly, or privately with that mindset and to teach firearms safety! Am I the only one who see's the dangerous mix there? I may be going out on a limb by saying this, but it is exactly what the Nazi's did. They taught that Jews, and Hebrew's wasn't true Germans. They refused services to them. They boy-cotted them, and spread messages about doing so. Yes, they used violence as well to get the point across. But It was the German People who voted the Nazi's in, and gave them power to spread the bigoted hate. Look up Crystal Nacht. The night of broken glass. Ordinary people burned Synagogues, and beat Jewish-Germans, while the Police turned their heads. That is a major example as to NOT accept this Instructor's views and go on.

But then again what do I know? I'm a non-christian, Gay guy who isn't really a "true American" and cannot make "Sound judgements".
 
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Darkshadow said:
... it would seem that, no, he can't legally do that. In reality, as you've said, it happens all the time and unless someone with an ax to grind cares to do something about it, he will probably do so successfully.
Someone standing up for what's right (or against what's wrong) has "an ax to grind"?
Gee, that would describe most of us, wouldn't it?
The guy is a bigot, a racist, & while I despise his attitude he has the right to feel whatever he wants & say pretty much whatever he wants (as long as it's truthful & doesn't incite someone else to harm).
I wouldn't give him any money.

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He is judging people based on their demonstrated inability to make a rational decision.
So I could deny my classes to anyone who professes to believe in any diety, because I think that shows they are incapable of making a rational decision.
More than that, they have an invisible friend they absolutely insist is real!
How crazy is that? I think that's evidence of mental disease or defect.

See how it feels being on the receiving end?
Don't like it, do you?

smokeyburnout said:
It's funny how only white people are accused of being racist or biggots [sic] while all colors of people from all religions and all backgrounds have some sort, no matter how faint, of dastaste [sic] or distrust for another race.
I've been known to send money-begging letters from such racist organizations as the NAACP back in the postage-paid envelope with "I don't support racist organizations" writ large across them. I don't see how anyone with any self-respect could be a member, since they advocate disarming "their own people".

And yes, some of the worst racists I personally have encountered have been black / dark brown.
(I'm decidedly melanin-impaired, myself.)

We've had some of those wilding teen mobs this summer here in Milwaukee (MKE)... all the perpetrators were black, almost all the victims were white, yet none of the media were brave enough to call it what it is: racism. Plenty of people commenting on the stories pointed out that if the colors had been reversed, it'd have national attention, celebreties (sp?) flying in & giving speeches, etc.

Instead, the police generally couldn't be bothered to take statements from the victims.
Too many of them, took too much time. :mad:
 

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Just as he has the right to refuse service to whomever he chooses, everyone else has the right to refuse giving him business. I think it's good he made his "policy" public, because now there is no confusion about what kind of person he is. I predict his clientele from here on will be comprised of folks who think like he does, and hardly anyone else.
 

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Which unfortunately means a lot of people.

Agree with MKEGal about the NAACP. They're largely racist hypocrites.

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The Uber Politically correct are alive & well at OCDO only 10 short years later we forget what the Muslims did on 9/11, how Muslims killed close to 3000 Americans, heck they even killed a few of their own in the Attacks. If this guy wants to NOT train Muslims & non Christians Arabs , it's his choice & probably a wise one. It's certainly not Racist, maybe a little intolerant but heck that's legal where I come from.....Muslims are not a Race they are nothing but the Worlds biggest Violent Anti American, anti Christian Cult..this country was founded upon the Christian Religion & Christian Values (( In GOD WE TRUST )) not Allah & certainly not Islam...leave it to the ignorant bleeding heart Politically correct INFIDEL & soon we will be a islamic Sharia Law compliant country.
 
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Where exactly in the Constitution is a god mentioned again?

Let's not pretend that the Christian religion is so innocent historically...
 
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The Uber Politically correct are alive & well at OCDO only 10 short years later we forget what the Muslims did on 9/11, how Muslims killed close to 3000 Americans, heck they even killed a few of their own in the Attacks. If this guy wants to NOT train Muslims & non Christians Arabs , it's his choice & probably a wise one. It's certainly not Racist, maybe a little intolerant but heck that's legal where I come from.....Muslims are not a Race they are nothing but the Worlds biggest Violent Anti American, anti Christian Cult..this country was founded upon the Christian Religion & Christian Values (( In GOD WE TRUST )) not Allah & certainly not Islam...leave it to the ignorant bleeding heart Politically correct INFIDEL & soon we will be a islamic Sharia Law compliant country.
Muslims as a whole are no more responsible for 9/11 than the Catholic church as a whole is responsible for the raping of small boys.

A few Islamic extremists killed a crapload of people on 9/11. Catholic priests raped adolescent boys, then the Catholic church covered it up and protected the priests by moving them around. Honestly, which is the more heinous crime? Terrorism or the raping of a small child?
 

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Where exactly in the Constitution is a god mentioned again?

Let's not pretend that the Christian religion is so innocent historically...

Ah, the Crusades occurred between 1095 and 1291 & maybe the Salem which trials that happened between February 1692 and May 1693. ?? ...I was waiting for that response. Let's try to stay CURRENT not go back in time 1000 years or 320 years...ok ?

Did I mention the Constitution ?? no

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God (( God is a Christian term - not an Islamic one )) indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all. Back when that was written their were no Violent middle eastern cults trying to kill Americans..
 
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Muslims as a whole are no more responsible for 9/11 than the Catholic church as a whole is responsible for the raping of small boys.

A few Islamic extremists killed a crapload of people on 9/11. Catholic priests raped adolescent boys, then the Catholic church covered it up and protected the priests by moving them around. Honestly, which is the more heinous crime? Terrorism or the raping of a small child?

Apples & Watermelons here...the PC have issues seeing the issues clearly. A few Islamic extremists ? a few physically carried out the attacks but a Country ( Afghanistan ) full of them, Hundreds of Thousands , if not Millions( Taliban, Al-Qaeda ) Backed them, planned it, trained for it and made it a reality. if it was only a FEW we would not have been over there Killing them by thousands for the last 10 years.... Soon the new Libyan Islamic Brotherhood will be killing Americans....but according to you there will only be a FEW of them involved too. ALL MUSLIMS VIEW US AS THE INFIDEL

Political correctness = Pussifi - Cation ... God forbid we might hurt someones feelings
 
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The Pledge of Allegiance is not the Constitution. It was written in 1892. The words "under god" were not added until 1954, at which time those words were objected to by the family of the original author.

Since the crusades....hmmmm....

The Ku Klux Klan, Army of God, Anders Behring Breivik, National Liberation Front of Tripura, Northern Ireland......

I could go on. No religious group is innocent. Anyone can distort any religion to justify their actions.
 

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Apples & Watermelons here...the PC have issues seeing the issues clearly. A few Islamic extremists ? a few carried out the attacks but a Country ( Afghanistan ) full of them, Hundreds of Thousands , if not Millions( Taliban, Al-Qaeda ) planned it, trained for it and made it a reality. if it was only a FEW we would not have been over there Killing them by thousands for the last 10 years.... Soon the new Libyan Islamic Brotherhood will be killing Americans....but according to you there will only be a FEW of them involved too. ALL MUSLIMS VIEW US AS THE INFIDEL

Political correctness = Pussifi - Cation ... God forbid we might hurt someones feelings

So a few priests supported by an entire nation(Vatican), thousands of Catholics who covered it up....this is different how?

By the way, I don't think Muslims are innocent by any stretch of the imagination but neither are Christians or Hindus or any other religious group for that matter.
 

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Ah, the Crusades occurred between 1095 and 1291 & maybe the Salem which trials that happened between February 1692 and May 1693. ?? ...I was waiting for that response. Let's try to stay CURRENT not go back in time 1000 years or 320 years...ok ?
Once again, Catholic priests and little boys. That came to a head in the last ten years and was ongoing much longer than that.

Apples & Watermelons here...the PC have issues seeing the issues clearly. A few Islamic extremists ? a few carried out the attacks but a Country ( Afghanistan ) full of them, Hundreds of Thousands , if not Millions( Taliban, Al-Qaeda ) planned it, trained for it and made it a reality. if it was only a FEW we would not have been over there Killing them by thousands for the last 10 years.... Soon the new Libyan Islamic Brotherhood will be killing Americans....but according to you there will only be a FEW of them involved too. ALL MUSLIMS VIEW US AS THE INFIDEL

Political correctness = Pussifi - Cation
You do realize that Islam is the second largest religion in the world right? It has 1.5B followers(1,500,000,000). You have stated that there are hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions. So let's for a moment just assume that there are 1,000,000 radical Islamists. Nah, let's be liberal with that figure and suggest 10,000,000. That's still less than 1%, yes I consider that a few. It is a minority. Should we consider all Americans to be crazy, rights hating, gun grabbing libtards because there's a minority of them? Should we consider all Catholic priests to be child rapists because a minority are? Should we assume that all Christians are just like the Westboro Baptist Church? Are all bikers members of violent motorcycle clubs? Do all those same bikers secretly have hearts of gold?

Are we going to marginalize everyone by the lowest common denominator or are we going to acknowledge the fact that there are terrible people(or in the case of Hells Angels, good people) in every group and that they're not representative of the whole?
 
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