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Radio Commercial has libs going crazy

MAC702

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Is that legal?

Can you unashamedly deny services to a customer because of their religion or lack thereof?

I mean, people (including the government) do it all the time, but you can actually SAY that religion is the reason?

Freedom of Religion is a civil right, correct? Meaning it cannot legally be held against you unlike the Right to Bear Arms often is, correct?
 

Darkshadow62988

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Is that legal?

Can you unashamedly deny services to a customer because of their religion or lack thereof?

I mean, people (including the government) do it all the time, but you can actually SAY that religion is the reason?

Freedom of Religion is a civil right, correct? Meaning it cannot legally be held against you unlike the Right to Bear Arms often is, correct?

Can he? Sure. Is it legal? Depends on how the courts would choose to interpret it(I've given up on looking for logic and reasoning in the courts. I'd have better odds guessing lottery numbers.) Given the precedence of Jones v. Alfred H. Mayer Co. and Runyon v. McCrary it would seem that, no, he can't legally do that. In reality, as you've said, it happens all the time and unless someone with an ax to grind cares to do something about it, he will probably do so successfully.

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Brion

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Can he? Sure. Is it legal? Depends on how the courts would choose to interpret it(I've given up on looking for logic and reasoning in the courts. I'd have better odds guessing lottery numbers.) Given the precedence of Jones v. Alfred H. Mayer Co. and Runyon v. McCrary it would seem that, no, he can't legally do that. In reality, as you've said, it happens all the time and unless someone with an ax to grind cares to do something about it, he will probably do so successfully.

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Well then what ever happened to a business having the right to refuse service to anyone?
 

Brion

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The civil right act.

just have to be careful about the reason you use to refuse service!

And here I was thinking I didn't have to give a reason.

I play out stuff Like this in my head all the time.

Lib: Why won't you teach your CHL class to me?
Me: I reserve the right to refuse to teach you.
Lib: It's because I voted for Obama isn't it.
Me: :Stare at you with an inplied facepalm:
Lib: Answer me. Is that why?
Me: You need to leave, and if you don't leave I'll be force to call the police. That is your warning or I'll have you charged for tresspassing. You Welcome is officially over.
Lib: :starts his bs rant.
Me: Leave now.

Police: Why do you refuse to teach him.
Me: I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.
Police: For what reason.
Me: Doesn't matter to you. I told him to leave, and he didn't. I want him charged with tresspassing. That's all you need to be concerned with.

Sorry, just how I play stuff out. I like the KISS method. Keep It Simple Stupid. Thought I like how the man is invoking his right. I expect he will get stomped on for it. So to put myself in his situation, he could do exactly what he says without ever saying it.
 

Daylen

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He had me up until "non-christian".

The stab at the Obama voters was funny though.

Actually the term he used was "non-christian Arab or moslim", I did not hear a pause indicating a comma which would have rendered his statement "non-christian, Arab, or moslim". Personally, I wouldn't blame him for wanting to deny service to the former group, and I don't think he intended the latter classification.
 

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Green Bay area Conservative Radio 97.5fm / 1360 am talk show host Jerry Bader does nice segment on this today..I will post link to the podcast once it become available....
 

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Racists morons are indeed alive and well in Texas.

Also, no moron. You see, Muslims believe in the same God you do. Even if you claim they don't, they are still not "Godless", because they, much like you, lay claim to belief in a "God" using the same level of evidence and critical thinking that you do.
 

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He stated in the commercial that the REASON he can deny this class to the Muslims and liberals is NOT because of their religion, but because the law requires the applicant to demonstrate to the instructor that he is capable of making a rational, intelligent decision, and AS the instructor, he has determined that a vote for Big-O or a decision to embrace Islam does not meet that criteria. I think he is on solid ground!

I just called Mr. Keller. He is a friendly man, but BUSY! I told him that I am going to purchase my next firearm from him, via his website.

http://www.kellersstore.com/

Every time one of these brain dead anti-American liberal socialists dies, I will celebrate the event by purchasing a new firearm, and having it engraved to commemorate the event. I already have my "Thank God Ted Kennedy is DEAD" Mossberg pump shotgun. I believe I'll purchase my "Thank God Moammar Gadhafi is DEAD" Commemorative Rifle from Mr. Keller.
 

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I think it's pretty funny myself. Can't say I totally agree with him on all of it, but at least he's upfront with what he believes. He should be able to teach who he wants, whether or not he's a tad racist.
 

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I'm curious as to what evidence points to racist. The man didn't say a simple Arab, that would have been racist. Not trusting those of another belief system is not the same as prejudging individuals of a race.
 

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The man is a bigot, and, while I may find his bigotry personally distasteful, as long as he does not deny another citizen their rights or liberties, I would say how he choses to run his business is his concern. He is not stopping those he is bigoted against from receiving the necessary training. Quite frankly, I could not imagine any one of those whom he states he will not train, wanting to be trained by such a narrow minded fool of a man(my opinion of him, and just as legitimate as his opinion of others).
 

Redbaron007

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Interesting...

It'll be interesting to see what the libs do. They will probably send in a plant to see what he does.
 

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The man is a bigot, and, while I may find his bigotry personally distasteful, as long as he does not deny another citizen their rights or liberties, I would say how he choses to run his business is his concern. He is not stopping those he is bigoted against from receiving the necessary training. Quite frankly, I could not imagine any one of those whom he states he will not train, wanting to be trained by such a narrow minded fool of a man(my opinion of him, and just as legitimate as his opinion of others).

Yes he is. As an atheist, and someone who respects the rights of others to believe how they wish, I will not do business with a bigot when I can help it. And yes, he has the right to do business with whom he pleases, but I don't buy his "ability to make sound judgements" argument. I don't believe in the judeo-christian god for the same reason that Christians don't believe in any of the other gods. So by that argument, anyone that's religious doesn't have an ability to make sound judgements-which I do not believe.
 

Aknazer

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My main issue is in the non-christian Arab comment as it discriminates against a special group of people that aren't otherwise discriminated against based solely on their place of origin. For example a pagan or bhudist non-arab can take the class, but if they are an Arab and a pagan or bhudist then they can't. I don't agree with the Muslim discrimination, but if he feels that is a bad enough decision that is his choice. But to flat out discriminate against those of Arab origin unless they're Christian is just wrong.
 
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