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    Cash IN HAND to become 501c(4)

    Ok guys, so far we have exactly 210.00 dollars of cash IN HAND. There are many others who have said they will pledge, so now is the time fellas. According to my last calculations we were up to right around 8-900 dollars. BUT all that matters is the cash in hand in life, so that's what we're going by. I will not deposit any checks until we have raised every last penny to become a 501c(4). If we do not make it, I will A) write void on it and send it back, or B) tear it up into tiny pieces and throw it away. That is up to you. Please do not post ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD AT ALL. This will be updated only when we have more funds in hand. Remember, every penny counts, 5, 10 dollars whatever you can spare it ALL adds up!

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    about 425.00 currently. (not exact because paypal enjoys taking their small cut out of everything and I don't want to add the cents up right now ;-) )
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanebelanger View Post
    about 425.00 currently. (not exact because paypal enjoys taking their small cut out of everything and I don't want to add the cents up right now ;-) )
    How much money donated so far???

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    Quote Originally Posted by crdonov View Post
    How much money donated so far???

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    $495.60
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    any more donations??? how close to $1000???


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    $304.40 short... not a penny more has come in since I last updated this.
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    Thirty-one people at $10.00 each = $310.00

    It's a shame that so few people in Maine care enough to support such an organization as this. I know the economy is in the pits, but come on people where is your pride, dedication and belief in yourself and what Shane is trying to do.

    You do realize that by not supporting this in word and deed, the absence of your support speaks negative volumes about you and Maine - right? You don't have to give a lot, but please give something.

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    http://maineopencarry.org/donate.html
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    Maybe there are still people that refuse to get on their knees or
    bend over, to consent to Government authority in an organization
    that the government has no authority in.

    All you are doing by becoming a 501c(4) is Consenting to
    Government rules and regulations in your organization.
    Life is tough, its tougher when your stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butch00 View Post
    Maybe there are still people that refuse to get on their knees or
    bend over, to consent to Government authority in an organization
    that the government has no authority in.

    All you are doing by becoming a 501c(4) is Consenting to
    Government rules and regulations in your organization.
    How else do you propose we legally* have a 2ndA organization?
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    i will see if i can come up with somemore money!!!

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    Need to get more exposure

    Quote Originally Posted by shanebelanger View Post
    How else do you propose we legally* have a 2ndA organization?
    I just donated to MOCA but I just learned about it tonight. MOCA needs to get the word out. I used to be a member of NRA but felt it was too big and was just trying to sell me stuff all the time. I'm really interested in this and a friend will come on board soon too. Lots of good supportive videos on Youtube on open carry.

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    This forum is dead slow.

    Maine forum is at crawl, notice the fall off from when we all had one purpose? MOCA becoming 501c. Making a statement to Maine residents, police and goverment. If we want to breath life into this there is only one way. (We need a goal/mission).
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    The Open Carriers in Maine could learn alot from our bothers in Louisiana

    This is the first paragraph of new post. I wanted to bring it to all Maine OC attention. This is where we should be heading. Please follow the link.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...te-is-now-live


    Our new website is live at www.laopencarry.org . Check it out.

    Louisiana Open Carry Awareness League (LOCAL) formed in the Summer of 2009 with a internet discussion forum. Since then there have been regular monthly meetings, elections of officers, adoption of bylaws, dues and donations collected, education efforts which have included mailing out thousands of our informational brochures to Law Enforcement agencies and officials as well as news media and putting our brochures at gunshows across the state. LOCAL even put up a Facebook page and started a Twitter account.

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    I agree Jon That is what needs to happen if we want this to become a reality

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    Just sharing some thoughts and observations.

    The difference at this point in time is that LOCAL has a solid core of dedicated, committed people working in unison.

    Even so they have suffered somewhat with the same malaise - apathy of potential new members. It takes time and nurturing to make such an organization grow. Drumming up additional membership in the early stages is the most difficult but necessary function. Without the interest any group will wither, no matter how noble the cause.
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    Time to act or scrap this project

    I know that there are college students in this group. How about approaching them in coming up with a marketing plan. We need slogans, and inexpensive outreach programs. Use of the free internet in various targeted places. etc. Inexpensive brochures would be a good start. If no one is going to devote time to this cause it will never get off the ground. Those wanting to see this happen need to get involved. I am willing to devote time and some money but no one person can make this happen. We must have a strategy meeting.

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    I am currently in the process of returning the money sent to me to become a 501(c)4. You should see the funds returned to you in a couple of days if you sent them via paypal and I can either A) tear up your check that you sent me, or B) write void on it and return it to you. Your call. It's going to take me a couple days for paypal because I have to request a history of the transactions then move the funds from the MOCA bank account back into paypal and issue the refunds. Thanks all for your effort... we tried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanebelanger View Post
    I am currently in the process of returning the money sent to me to become a 501(c)4. You should see the funds returned to you in a couple of days if you sent them via paypal and I can either A) tear up your check that you sent me, or B) write void on it and return it to you. Your call. It's going to take me a couple days for paypal because I have to request a history of the transactions then move the funds from the MOCA bank account back into paypal and issue the refunds. Thanks all for your effort... we tried.
    this SUCKS!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by crdonov View Post
    this SUCKS!!!


    XD-OVER!!!
    I'm sure you're a deeper thinker than this sucks!

    Idea's suggestions or thoughts XD?

    I followed these forums long enough to know you're one of the stongest supporters. I really would like to see you to offer more input and idea's. I'm personally interest in creating a future for Maine Open Carry just as you are and believe each one of us have something to offer.

    You're right about the 501c a it's disappointment for many of us. Rome wasn't built in day and time marches on but remember the foundation we set today however small it seems, will be one less stone other open carriers will have to turn over in the future. Shane has brought us a long way, a few years ago no one would have even considered open carry myself included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonjon_jon View Post
    I'm sure you're a deeper thinker than this sucks!

    Idea's suggestions or thoughts XD?

    I followed these forums long enough to know you're one of the stongest supporters. I really would like to see you to offer more input and idea's. I'm personally interest in creating a future for Maine Open Carry just as you are and believe each one of us have something to offer.

    You're right about the 501c a it's disappointment for many of us. Rome wasn't built in day and time marches on but remember the foundation we set today however small it seems, will be one less stone other open carriers will have to turn over in the future. Shane has brought us a long way, a few years ago no one would have even considered open carry myself included.
    That ladies and gentlemen is a real measure of the success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Just sharing some thoughts and observations.

    The difference at this point in time is that LOCAL has a solid core of dedicated, committed people working in unison.

    Even so they have suffered somewhat with the same malaise - apathy of potential new members. It takes time and nurturing to make such an organization grow. Drumming up additional membership in the early stages is the most difficult but necessary function. Without the interest any group will wither, no matter how noble the cause.
    Hi guys. I'm Steve, Secretary of La Open Carry Awareness League (LOCAL). I am glad that you have seen our new website to be in inspiration. As Grapeshot pointed out, we have struggled to grow and evolve since we were founded. Let me assure you, it takes work. Open Carry is a small minority of the gun culture and is highly disputed in many circles. It will take time to find members and keep them. When we first strted meeting we had about 10 members show up at the Shoneys resturant. We worried that we would soon outgrow the meeting room. We were wrong. Three years later we still only have about 7 to 10 members for each monthly meeting. Sometimes less.

    Like you we considered registering with the State as a 503c Inc or as an LLC. We even had a member who is self employeed bring his business lawyer to a meeting to talk to us about tax laws and the pros and cons of incorporating. In the end we, as a group, decided that we would not incorporate for the time being. We may do so in the future but at the moment LOCAL is a unincorporated, grass roots organization.

    Other things we learned along the way you may want to know...
    The website you saw? We started planning that not long after we formed in 2009. We took donations from members and set it aside to pay for it. We had two seperate members in two years take the job of coordinating getting the webpage built and failed before I voluntered to do it. I contacted the designer and worked with him and the rest of our membership on coming up with a design and then getting it put online.

    Before we had a webpage we used a discussion forum but it was very limited and not user friendly or informative to those wanting to learn more about us or Open Carry. We asked our members for donations to pay to register our domain names (laopencarry dot com, dot org and dot us as well as Louisianaopencarry dot org, dot com and dot us). We had to pay to have the forum hosted too. We only had about 15 members and they all dug deep to help pay for these expenses.
    We have tried to get out and get tables at gun shows to get our message out. As Grapshot mentioned, we have also suffered from lack of members, and that hindered us each time we tried to get enough volunteers for our tables. So after 3 years we still have not been able to man a gun show table. Hopefully we will accomplish this in 2012.

    We came up with a trifold brochure/pamphlet and printed up hundreds of them on cheap, regular copy paper in Black and white print. Nothing fancy. No color ink or heavy weight paper. We just had a member print them on his zerox at work. Then we gave them to members to put out. We would go to gun shows and, since we didn't have a table, we would get the managers permission to put them on the entrance/exit table for people to take. Most shows have tables at the entrance or exits with fliers or calendars for upcoming shows and that's where we would put our pamphlets. We contacted CHP instructors and gun shops or ranges and asked them to put our pamplets in peoples hands. CHP instructors would include our pamphlets along with other handouts in classes. Gun Shops and ranges would put our brouchure on their counters where customers could pick them up. We also place our pamphlets on public billboards (right next to the Lost puppy fliers, etc) and other places where businesses allow space for free periodicals such as the Penny Trader magazines and free legal help fliers.

    We contacted media and mailed out dozens of letters telling La based TV news directors, Newspaper editors and radio hosts about our group. We included a pamphlet with each letter. We went to our Secretary of State website, found lists of elected officials including Sheriff's, Constables, City and Court Marshals and many Police Chiefs. With this list we mailed out hundreds of letters and pamphlets to these LE officials telling them to train their staff on the legality of OC in Louisiana. We mailed similar letters to the commanders of each State Police troop and even some city police district commanders.
    All of this work was done by less than 20 LOCAL members who donated money to by stamps, envelopes, printing and other expenses. As Grapeshot said, a small core group of willing, active members.

    Don't discount the internet and social media. We put up a Facebook page and a Twitter account. We put meeting announcements not only on OCDO but several other gun discussion boards. We posted videos on Youtube.
    At times I have been distressed by our lack of growth. I have found support from people on this forum like Grapeshot, who gave advice and moral support. We have had regular meetings in the southeast part of the state near New Orleans since the beginning. One of our members on the opposite side of the state, up in the Northeast, in Shreveport has tried to get a meeting organized and failed to get anyone to show up. He has found a new meeting place and is currently drumming up interest in another meeting. So we are still fighting the good fight.

    Don't give up. Put the incorporation plans on the back burner, grow your group and get the word out. Then come back and revisit it. Look to others in other states and other groups (like VCDL) who have been there, done that. Learn what you can from them and keep your spirits up. We are right here with you.

    Good Luck.

    Steve Raacke,
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    Quote Originally Posted by yale View Post
    Hi guys. I'm Steve, Secretary of La Open Carry Awareness League (LOCAL). I am glad that you have seen our new website to be in inspiration. As Grapeshot pointed out, we have struggled to grow and evolve since we were founded. Let me assure you, it takes work. Open Carry is a small minority of the gun culture and is highly disputed in many circles. It will take time to find members and keep them. When we first strted meeting we had about 10 members show up at the Shoneys resturant. We worried that we would soon outgrow the meeting room. We were wrong. Three years later we still only have about 7 to 10 members for each monthly meeting. Sometimes less.

    Like you we considered registering with the State as a 503c Inc or as an LLC. We even had a member who is self employeed bring his business lawyer to a meeting to talk to us about tax laws and the pros and cons of incorporating. In the end we, as a group, decided that we would not incorporate for the time being. We may do so in the future but at the moment LOCAL is a unincorporated, grass roots organization.

    Other things we learned along the way you may want to know...
    The website you saw? We started planning that not long after we formed in 2009. We took donations from members and set it aside to pay for it. We had two seperate members in two years take the job of coordinating getting the webpage built and failed before I voluntered to do it. I contacted the designer and worked with him and the rest of our membership on coming up with a design and then getting it put online.

    Before we had a webpage we used a discussion forum but it was very limited and not user friendly or informative to those wanting to learn more about us or Open Carry. We asked our members for donations to pay to register our domain names (laopencarry dot com, dot org and dot us as well as Louisianaopencarry dot org, dot com and dot us). We had to pay to have the forum hosted too. We only had about 15 members and they all dug deep to help pay for these expenses.
    We have tried to get out and get tables at gun shows to get our message out. As Grapshot mentioned, we have also suffered from lack of members, and that hindered us each time we tried to get enough volunteers for our tables. So after 3 years we still have not been able to man a gun show table. Hopefully we will accomplish this in 2012.

    We came up with a trifold brochure/pamphlet and printed up hundreds of them on cheap, regular copy paper in Black and white print. Nothing fancy. No color ink or heavy weight paper. We just had a member print them on his zerox at work. Then we gave them to members to put out. We would go to gun shows and, since we didn't have a table, we would get the managers permission to put them on the entrance/exit table for people to take. Most shows have tables at the entrance or exits with fliers or calendars for upcoming shows and that's where we would put our pamphlets. We contacted CHP instructors and gun shops or ranges and asked them to put our pamplets in peoples hands. CHP instructors would include our pamphlets along with other handouts in classes. Gun Shops and ranges would put our brouchure on their counters where customers could pick them up. We also place our pamphlets on public billboards (right next to the Lost puppy fliers, etc) and other places where businesses allow space for free periodicals such as the Penny Trader magazines and free legal help fliers.

    We contacted media and mailed out dozens of letters telling La based TV news directors, Newspaper editors and radio hosts about our group. We included a pamphlet with each letter. We went to our Secretary of State website, found lists of elected officials including Sheriff's, Constables, City and Court Marshals and many Police Chiefs. With this list we mailed out hundreds of letters and pamphlets to these LE officials telling them to train their staff on the legality of OC in Louisiana. We mailed similar letters to the commanders of each State Police troop and even some city police district commanders.
    All of this work was done by less than 20 LOCAL members who donated money to by stamps, envelopes, printing and other expenses. As Grapeshot said, a small core group of willing, active members.

    Don't discount the internet and social media. We put up a Facebook page and a Twitter account. We put meeting announcements not only on OCDO but several other gun discussion boards. We posted videos on Youtube.
    At times I have been distressed by our lack of growth. I have found support from people on this forum like Grapeshot, who gave advice and moral support. We have had regular meetings in the southeast part of the state near New Orleans since the beginning. One of our members on the opposite side of the state, up in the Northeast, in Shreveport has tried to get a meeting organized and failed to get anyone to show up. He has found a new meeting place and is currently drumming up interest in another meeting. So we are still fighting the good fight.

    Don't give up. Put the incorporation plans on the back burner, grow your group and get the word out. Then come back and revisit it. Look to others in other states and other groups (like VCDL) who have been there, done that. Learn what you can from them and keep your spirits up. We are right here with you.

    Good Luck.

    Steve Raacke,
    Secretary,
    LOCAL
    thank you for that. i think that we needed this.
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