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Carry Cheat Sheet Summarized (Need corrections)

Motofixxer

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Carry Cheat Sheet in WI Summarized (Need corrections?)

This is meant to be a SIMPLE summary, this info is not legal advice. Please do your diligent research and familiarize yourself with the corresponding statutes. There are nuances and exemptions to almost every statute.

Effectively accurate as of 11/1/2011
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Loaded Open Carry Without CCW Permit (Unless 5x7 sign posted)

Airport	 (Public accessible area\secure area)			No
	-Except unloaded\cased to transport on plane 
	  according to TSA\Airline guidelines
Banks							Yes
Bars(Class B)   (With Owner\Manager Permission)	Yes
Churches						Yes
Courthouses	Courthouses	Cty, State, Federal		No
Courtrooms (Municipal while in session)			No
City\Cty Park						Yes
Federal Properties						No
Hospital	(No VA Hospitals-Federal)		Yes
Jails\Prisons, PD,						No
Theaters						Yes
Long Rifle(Legal, Will provoke attention)		Yes
Malls							Yes
Mental Institutions						No
Govt, or Municipal Buildings 				No
National Parks and Rec Areas			Yes
		-Subject to restrictions							
Private Business or Residence			Yes
School	  (Grounds or within 1000')				No
State Parks	(Only cased\unloaded)			No

Vehicle(but not in 1000' School Zones)		Yes
	-Incl ATV and Boats, No Rifles
	-Restrictions, and Case Law
Zoo							Yes

If asked to leave or posted, you must or is chargeable as Trespassing


Loaded Conceal a Handgun- With CCW Permit  (Unless 5x7 sign posted)

Airport	 (Public accessible area Yes\Not past secure area)	Yes	No
		-Except unloaded\cased to transport on plane 
		  according to TSA\Airline guidelines
Banks								Yes
Bars\Restaurants(Class B) 					Yes
		-No Consumption of alcohol
Carry permit with you(Likely be cited if not	)		Yes
	-Citation dropped if Permit presented within 48 hrs
Churches							Yes
Courthouses	Cty, State, Federal					No
Courtrooms (Municipal, Yes, while in session No)		Yes	No
City\Cty Park							Yes
Federal Properties							No
Hospital	(No VA Hospital)				Yes
Jails\Prisons, PD,							No
Malls								Yes
Mental Institutions						Yes	No
	- Nonsecure area Yes, secure area No
Govt, or Municipal Buildings 				Yes	
National Parks and Rec Areas				Yes
		-Subject to restrictions
NonResident Permit accepted  (All)				Yes

Private Business or Residence				Yes
Required Disclosure to Officer's(With lawful authority)	Yes
		-And carry\present Picture ID
School	  (Grounds)Exempt from School Zones			No
		-With WI permit only(Federal GFSZ)
State Parks							Yes
Theaters							Yes
Vehicle(Exempt from 1000' School Zones)			Yes
		-Incl ATV and boats, No Rifles
		-Restrictions, and Case Law

If asked to leave or posted, you must or is chargeable as Trespassing

Conceal a Handgun- Without CCW Permit 
-On your owned or leased property or business
-Open Carry on your owned or leased property or business


The format is thrown off and inconsistent for some reason, but you get the idea. After it's finalized I will link and post a final copy PDF or something for download etc.

Feel free to correct and make suggestions, I'm shooting for a simplified list that could be maybe printed on a trifold pamphlet or something. Anyone volunteering to make a new one? I have a really nice now outdated one linked in my New to OC thread. But that quality and style is a little beyond my abilities right now.
 
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Thanks Motofixxer!! This is exactly what I was looking for and I can't wait for the final version.
 

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Are you sure about the daycare?? I know the K-12 GFSZ blah blah stuff but Daycare isn't included in that and I don't know of anything else that specifically covers daycare.
 

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No I'm not sure on the day care, most I know of are some form of kindergarten too, so to be safe I think it should be listed as such. It's only a basic list, you could get technical and discuss a home daycare... but I'm just trying to keep it simple and a safe overview. But I'm flexible...if others think it should be changed...I will.
 

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My wife works for a daycare, and they don't allow. I know a while back they have asked cops to disarm when picking up there children (one cop refused, and was asked to not bring there child back).

I don't believe there is a law concerning daycare facilities in particular, but I'm fairly certain that it's frowned upon. I say be aware of signage posted at the door, and if your daycare posts be sure to Google "daycare shooting" and drop those stories off with a copy of the bill. Educate them in the facts.

My wife and I have already taken the information in to the bosses, and presented our case. Her boss is 2A friendly, and will be taking the information to the owners of the facility and pushing to change the policies.
 

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The first thing is that you should have a disclaimer regarding enclosed vehicles such as a car or truck and concealed. Case law still applies regarding hidden. People may wish to debate it but it is irresponsible to give advice which ignores it.

There is no Statute prohibiting carry in a Day Care. It only covers K-12 "schools". Preschools do not count and neither do home schools.
National Parks require a carry license.
Municipal properties are fine. Municipal buildings are prohibited.

With a license you may carry in a courthouse. You are only prohibited from carry in a courtroom which is in session.
You are only prohibited from carrying in secure areas of mental health facilities.
 
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Overall a good summation.
I'd suggest grouping it by functional categories, or (even better) alphabetizing the list.

IK said:
The first thing is that you should have a disclaimer regarding enclosed vehicles such as a car or truck and concealed. Case law still applies regarding hidden.
Perhaps an asterix until our hero Pam can get good 'ol JB to admit in writing that the new law means what it says.

IK said:
With a license you may carry in a courthouse. You are only prohibited from carry in a courtroom which is in session.
ACK! No, the only people legal to carry in a courthouse are judges, DAs, (IIRC ass' DAs), & anyone whom a judge has permitted to carry. And the Only Ones, of course.

You're thinking of a municipal courtroom, which is the only one listed in the law as legal to carry in while court is not in session. They're probably different because they generally don't have their own building dedicated to just being a courthouse.

IK said:
You are only prohibited from carrying in secure areas of mental health facilities.
Um... I'm doing the wishy-washy tippy-hand thing on this one.
"Secure mental health facilities" are prohibited entirely, even if you're only in the visitor's lobby, not going behind locked doors yourself. Their names are listed in the law.

I'd have to read the law again, but I think you're right that the secure areas of other (unlisted, generic) mental health hospitals are prohibited. Makes sense.
 

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Overall a good summation.
Perhaps an asterix until our hero Pam can get good 'ol JB to admit in writing that the new law means what it says..
The Statutes are clear. There are no exceptions to 941.23 for vehicles without a permit. As it has always been in our lifetime we must comply with both chapters 167 AND 941.

the only people legal to carry in a courthouse are judges, DAs, (IIRC ass' DAs), & anyone whom a judge has permitted to carry. And the Only Ones, of course..
You are correct about County, State and Federal Courthouses...

Um... I'm doing the wishy-washy tippy-hand thing on this one.
"Secure mental health facilities" are prohibited entirely, even if you're only in the visitor's lobby, not going behind locked doors yourself. Their names are listed in the law.


I'd have to read the law again, but I think you're right that the secure areas of other (unlisted, generic) mental health hospitals are prohibited. Makes sense.

See the quoted Statute below...

(16) PROHIBITED ACTIVITY. (a) Except as provided in
par. (b), neither a licensee nor an out−of−state licensee
may knowingly carry a concealed weapon, a weapon that 2011 Senate Bill 93 − 13 − 2011 Wisconsin Act 35
is not concealed, or a firearm that is not a weapon in any
of the following places:
1. Any portion of a building that is a police station,
sheriff’s office, state patrol station, or the office of a division of criminal investigation special agent of the department.
2. Any portion of a building that is a prison, jail,
house of correction, or secured correctional facility.
3. The facility established under s. 46.055.
4. The center established under s. 46.056.
5. Any secured unit or secured portion of a mental
health institute under s. 51.05, including a facility designated as the Maximum Security Facility at Mendota
Mental Health Institute.
6. Any portion of a building that is a county, state, or
federal courthouse.
7. Any portion of a building that is a municipal courtroom if court is in session.
 

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Casino = depends!

Casinos operated within the boundaries of a Tribal Reservation are sovereign to that Tribe. A Wisconsin Federally Recognized Tribe with defined Reservation boundaries may or may not permit open or concealed carry. Best to check with the tribal officials before carrying. Carry while operating on a State or County road within Tribal Reservation Boundaries is OK.
 

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Ok, Removed Daycare, and Casino, added a note for vehicles, changed some wordings(I used a template from another state) ssssh don't tell em. :rolleyes:

And just because MKEGal asked so nicely, I alphabetized it all ;)

ksks, I have your summary linked already. There is still a lot of confusing information there though especially for newcomers. But I have referenced it multiple times.


Carry in National Parks, require permit, or OC??? Volunteer to look up and cite? I thought OC was ok without a permit
Anyone interested in contacting Secretary Huebsch DOA or somebody and discuss providing lock boxes at entrances to offices, or other entrances where prohibited?
 
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Am I missing something? My understanding is that the land will follow the statutes of the state, so if OC is not prohibited, then it's not prohibited on the Nat Park land.

"National Wildlife Refuges provided they comply with applicable provisions of federal, state and local law. Persons with so-called firearm "carry" permits will be able to possess firearms on a refuge in accordance with the provisions of the state issued permit"
 

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Am I missing something? My understanding is that the land will follow the statutes of the state, so if OC is not prohibited, then it's not prohibited on the Nat Park land.

"National Wildlife Refuges provided they comply with applicable provisions of federal, state and local law. Persons with so-called firearm "carry" permits will be able to possess firearms on a refuge in accordance with the provisions of the state issued permit"

It defaults to the State "laws" of its State Parks. WI Statutes as of November 1st still prohibit carry of a firearm in a State Park unless you are a licensee and unless it is a handgun.

(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State relating to the possession of a firearm in a State park, State wildlife refuge, or similar unit of State land in the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System, or that portion thereof, is located.
 
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Motofixxer, I salute your ambition! Great resource, many thanks.

Single-family residences don't have to post signs to prohibit carry. If they ask you to leave and you don't, you can be charged for trespassing.

For businesses and other locations, the draft states, "If asked to leave, you must or is chargeable as Trespassing." If the place isn't posted with signs, it's actually not trespassing if you don't leave. But if a place is posted, it's trespassing to enter, and you can be charged for entering even if you're not given a chance to leave and you refuse.

Municipal buildings are not prohibited carry unless they are specifically covered in the statute OR the municipality elects to post signs. Specifically covered: police stations, courtroom in session. Not prohibited unless posted: Park buildings, city/village/town hall, community center, library, etc.
 
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I didn't really look into the National Parks cuz I didn't think we had any in this state, but we do. There is even an office in Madison. The Ice Age Scenic Trail, North Country scenic Trail, Apostle Islands...Ok so need a permit for those areas along with the state parks. Now back to the matter at hand.
 

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Motofixxer, I salute your ambition! Great resource, many thanks.

Single-family residences don't have to post signs to prohibit carry. If they ask you to leave and you don't, you can be charged for trespassing.

For businesses and other locations, the draft states, "If asked to leave, you must or is chargeable as Trespassing." If the place isn't posted with signs, it's actually not trespassing if you don't leave. But if a place is posted, it's trespassing to enter, and you can be charged for entering even if you're not given a chance to leave and you refuse.

Municipal buildings are not prohibited carry unless they are specifically covered in the statute OR the municipality elects to post signs.

True of the Residences and Trespassing, but I'm thinking that is a different situation regardless of carrying. So not really relevant??? This is just regarding carrying. I guess the statement is still valid, though if asked to leave and you don't, it's enforceable as Trespassing. As I stated, I'm trying to keep this really simple to understand, not state every rule and exception. I will just add a bit of clarification.

I thought Municipal Buildings were prohibited as a public building for carrying till 11/1/11, with a permit you may unless posted. But still prohibited for OC? Nevermind, I don't know what I was thinking. It's updated though.




Motofixxer, I salute your ambition! Great resource, many thanks.

Your welcome, I'm just trying to make it simpler for all of us, to keep track of. I remember when I was first reading...yikes. I use my threads for reference probably more than anybody else.
 
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