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    Its A Brave New World

    Wasn't sure where to post this. This looks like an OK spot. I'm totally knew to carrying open or concealed. Right noe I'm more comfortable with carrying concealed. Feel like there's a spot light on me when I carry open. Trying to open carry more but have been told that I touch it a lot. I think that's an OCD thing. wish me luck as I continue to experiment with open carry.

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    Welcome to OCDO!! Stick around and you will learn a lot. This post probably should have went in the Virginia forum. Here is the link to that forum. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/fo...p?130-Virginia You should check out the thread titled Open Carry in NOVA. A lot of us post the places we have OCed and the experiences that we have had. Virginia is a great state to open carry in.

    Check out the Virginia Citizens Defense League. It is a great group dedicated to gun rights in VA. If you go on their website you can sign up for the VA-ALERT (on the right side of the page) which is a free email system that will keep you informed about everything going on in the state. The website is www.vcdl.org

    Last but not least, open carry can be a little nerve-racking at first. Sometimes it helps to OC with a person who has done it for awhile. If you would like to meet up just send me a PM and I'd be happy to open carry with you for a bit and go over the laws and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Welcome to OCDO!! Stick around and you will learn a lot. This post probably should have went in the Virginia forum. Here is the link to that forum. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/fo...p?130-Virginia You should check out the thread titled Open Carry in NOVA. A lot of us post the places we have OCed and the experiences that we have had. Virginia is a great state to open carry in.

    Check out the Virginia Citizens Defense League. It is a great group dedicated to gun rights in VA. If you go on their website you can sign up for the VA-ALERT (on the right side of the page) which is a free email system that will keep you informed about everything going on in the state. The website is www.vcdl.org

    Last but not least, open carry can be a little nerve-racking at first. Sometimes it helps to OC with a person who has done it for awhile. If you would like to meet up just send me a PM and I'd be happy to open carry with you for a bit and go over the laws and such.
    Hey, Steeler-Gal! Like I told you today, you will find yourself quite welcomed and at home here on OCDO.

    Now I just have to get her to some OC dinners and outings.

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    Another Welcome Aboard!

    I'm still very self conscious abuot it too. Takes some getting used to, but it's getting that I miss it when it isn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riana View Post
    Hey, Steeler-Gal! Like I told you today, you will find yourself quite welcomed and at home here on OCDO.

    Now I just have to get her to some OC dinners and outings.
    Hey Riana, why not start setting up another local luncheon for whatever day you and our new member have available. I'm up for one so I'll be happy to help with it. How about a relatively central location such as Centreville or perhaps someplace in Kamp Washington (Fairfax)? I'm game and open to whatever you have in mind.
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    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by Riana View Post
    Hey, Steeler-Gal! Like I told you today, you will find yourself quite welcomed and at home here on OCDO.

    Now I just have to get her to some OC dinners and outings.
    Thanks! I'm certain I'll get used to it the more I do it.
    Just let me know when the OCDO lunches/dinners are and I'll see if I can squeeze them into my calendar.

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    Hej Steeler-Gal.

    I first OC'd over 40 years ago, and have OC'd (mostly) and CC'd (winter) since. This is what I have found:

    #1: First thing to having a comfortable OC is a first class level II or Level III retention holster. With good retention you do not have to worry about someone else removing your carry, or having it fall out..etc. This leads to peace of mind.

    #2: The fastest way to get someone to notice your carry is to fidget with it. You should never touch it except with your elbow. With a good retention holster there is no need to be a nervous Nelly. OC is a perfectly legal thing to do, no different than wearing a hat, or boots instead of shoes. Be comfortable in the knowledge you are taking responsibility for your own safety.

    Last night I took my wife out to eat at a very OC friendly restaurant. No one even noticed until we were outside having and after dinner smoke with the head waitress, then she asked if I was carrying and what I had with me this time. Black CZ82, in a black leather holster, with black pants and a black leather jacket...you could see it if you looked for it and knew it was (or should I say, was expected to be) there. Any casual glance would never notice.

    The Owner of this restaurant and most of her staff all carry. It is a resort way back in the mountains and you never know what you will encounter up there. For some reason, they have never had a problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    #2: The fastest way to get someone to notice your carry is to fidget with it. You should never touch it except with your elbow. With a good retention holster there is no need to be a nervous Nelly. OC is a perfectly legal thing to do, no different than wearing a hat, or boots instead of shoes. Be comfortable in the knowledge you are taking responsibility for your own safety.
    Thanks! I really do think it s more of an OCD thing. I have some OCD quirks that's I do. I do it with my phone too. It sits on the opposite hip and I touch and check for it all day. "is it there? Good." (few min later) "is it there? Good." I do it all day long and I've bee carry my phone there for years.

    I'll just have to consciously resist checking and touch it. I'm certain it'll get easier to resist the more I do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-gal View Post
    Thanks! I really do think it s more of an OCD thing. I have some OCD quirks that's I do. I do it with my phone too. It sits on the opposite hip and I touch and check for it all day. "is it there? Good." (few min later) "is it there? Good." I do it all day long and I've bee carry my phone there for years.

    I'll just have to consciously resist checking and touch it. I'm certain it'll get easier to resist the more I do it.
    Just make it a habit to check with your elbow. And welcome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tombrewster421 View Post
    Just make it a habit to check with your elbow. And welcome!
    That's a good idea.
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    Hi SteelerGal, welcome to the forum!

    I can't OC because I live in Oklahoma, but we are working on it very hard

    Anyway, I do CC and I was like you the first couple of months ... constantly checking/adjusting it and wouldn't even carry Condition 1 ... then had an incident and everything changed ... after that, I wasn't worried about if it was there because I got up and put it on every morning, and I carried Condition 1. You will settle down after carrying for a while, and like Tom said, check with your elbow so no one mistakes what you are doing
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    I have not been OCing in the states for long either (Just turned 21 this month) but, a simple way to check is like others have said, just bump your elbow against it, or the side of your arm.
    welcome to the board.

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    Welcome, Steeler-Gal!

    I'm a relatively newbie to this site too; not open carrying yet, but do conceal carry everywhere I legally can.

    I will follow, with great interest, the open carry experiences you choose to share with us here on the forum.
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    Hummmm..

    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    Welcome, Steeler-Gal!

    I'm a relatively newbie to this site too; not open carrying yet, but do conceal carry everywhere I legally can.

    I will follow, with great interest, the open carry experiences you choose to share with us here on the forum.
    Why do you Not Open Carry YET?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Why do you Not Open Carry YET?
    I am going to guess it's because it takes a bit to make that jump from always concealing to mostly openly carrying. I know it did for me when I entered this arena. I was trying to figure out what I thought would be the best way to make the jump and found that for me, it was when going to a gas station and my local grocery store. Then over the following month or two, I began to branch out more as I felt more comfortable and realized that it was not garnishing the reactions I had expected.

    So for some folks, it does take a little time to enter the fray. The OC lunch and dinner get togethers are a great way to break the ice and both share and hear what other like-minded people have to offer. It can take a little time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Why do you Not Open Carry YET?
    There's a few basic reasons. First, it is because I'm a relatively new gun owner and until recently didn't even own a holster so open carrying wasn't an option. I'm just not used to it and it doesn't quite feel natural yet. Another reason is that a lot of my pants and clothes do not lend themselves to OCing. Many of my pants have elastic wastebands. If I hung a paddle holster (which I don't yet own) off the hip I'm certain it'll flop around and possibly cause my pants to slide down. I have a hard enough time making sure my iPhone isn't dragging my pants down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-gal View Post
    There's a few basic reasons. First, it is because I'm a relatively new gun owner and until recently didn't even own a holster so open carrying wasn't an option. I'm just not used to it and it doesn't quite feel natural yet. Another reason is that a lot of my pants and clothes do not lend themselves to OCing. Many of my pants have elastic wastebands. If I hung a paddle holster (which I don't yet own) off the hip I'm certain it'll flop around and possibly cause my pants to slide down. I have a hard enough time making sure my iPhone isn't dragging my pants down.
    I am new as well. And I didn't even get to choose my weapons - they were donated to me. Grandma gave me her S&W Model 41, (she is still alive) and Dad gave me a Makarov, a Walther P-1, and an Autauga MkII. Throw in my left handedness, and yes, holsters are a prob. Have had the S&W for 12 yrs, but the others are less than a year. Add that my employer doesn't allow weapons onsite. I don't get to OC very often. When $$ permits, I will be getting a 1911A1, as that is what I was trained on, and know well. Holsters - even left handed now! - are plentyful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Why do you Not Open Carry YET?
    I certainly would open carry if I knew it was legal in Mississippi to do so.

    I read of others who open carry getting hassled by the police, handcuffed, arrested, etc., and I'm not willing to go down that road since I can legally conceal carry without any fear of reprisals by uninformed law enforcement officers, agencies, or municipalities.

    After all, the reason I carry is for self defense; and the only difference between me an one who open carries is that my shirt tail is on the outside of my pants.

    Should the day ever come in my neck of the woods when Mississippi citizens can openly carry a handgun without being persecuted or harrassed by the law enforcement community, I'll be jumping on the proverbial "band wagon".

    Being a member of this forum is like a "college education" for me, as I learn something new everyday about open carry and the strides that are being made throughout the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tombrewster421 View Post
    Just make it a habit to check with your elbow. And welcome!
    "Steeler-Gal",

    When I first started OCing, this is what I did. Just sort of close your "strong-side" arm against your waist, and the inside of your elbow will touch the grip. It reassures you that everything is in it's place without being obvious or appearing like you are "reaching for it"...

    Remember, Virginia has a "brandishing" law, and putting your hand on your pistol--even if you don't actually draw or even grasp the grip CAN be considered "brandishing" if the wrong person sees you do it, or some paranoid anti-gun person sees you.

    I live in Columbia MD now, and not being able to carry at all (OC or CC) is killing me, after living in NC for 4 years. If you put together a lunch-time "OC Meetup" on the weekend, I'd GLADLY drive down for it. Weekdays would have to be dinner-time meetups for me to be able to attend though.

    I was the president of the East Carolina University "Students for Concealed Carry on Campus", and have been VERY active in NC, VA, and MD gun rights for several years. I LOVE to talk with new folks, and I really enjoy hanging out with the great OC people in VA. You've got a GREAT group of folks in NoVa for support and education, and setting up an OC lunch or dinner would be a fantastic way for you to plug into the local OC/CC community. If you need any help setting something like this up,feel free to PM me, and I can give you some pointers on choosing a location in NoVa. (I lived in NoVa for 10+ years, and know the "gun friendly" places pretty well).

    Also, I grew up in the Northern Panhandle of WV, and am also a Steelers fan! We need to stick together out here in the land of the Ravens and Redskins...

    Good luck, and welcome to OCDO. We especially welcome female OCers, and strongly encourage more women to carry--OC or CC. It is a powerful statement for women in particular an for OC in general when women OC in public.

    Welcome, and Carry On!
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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    Why do you Not Open Carry YET?
    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    I certainly would open carry if I knew it was legal in Mississippi to do so.

    I read of others who open carry getting hassled by the police, handcuffed, arrested, etc., and I'm not willing to go down that road since I can legally conceal carry without any fear of reprisals by uninformed law enforcement officers, agencies, or municipalities.

    After all, the reason I carry is for self defense; and the only difference between me an one who open carries is that my shirt tail is on the outside of my pants.

    Should the day ever come in my neck of the woods when Mississippi citizens can openly carry a handgun without being persecuted or harrassed by the law enforcement community, I'll be jumping on the proverbial "band wagon".

    Being a member of this forum is like a "college education" for me, as I learn something new everyday about open carry and the strides that are being made throughout the country.

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    Originally Posted by thearmysredneck
    I had my third encounter with a local today. I was at the corner store getting a pack of smokes and some go go juice today. I was wearing my glock 23 on my right hip in a serpa holster and 2 spare mags in my leather mag pouch on my left hip. There was a local cop in the store and he came out with me and " Hey look theres a fella with a gun. Hey man what kind of gun is that." I told him is was a glock 23 with the tritium sights. He said "Man that's nice, real nice. I like your style." I told him well thank you sir. And that was that. No I need to see your permit or ID OR NOTHING!! That's the third time in Horn Lake that this has happened. Glad my local guys are with the program. Now southaven on the other hand I've had been harassed twice. But I did get the Horn Lake chief some information on the Oath Keepers to and he put out some literature out in the officers room too so chalk this one up to the good guys.



    Outstanding report!

    This is very encouraging for me, as I live just down the road from Horn Lake.

    This is definitely one for the good guys!

    Thanks.


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    Since you posted in that thread over a month ago,,
    It is time for you to "jump on the band wagon".
    be sure to report back and tell us all how it feels to open carry,,, especially since this is an OPEN CARRY forum.
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    Yes, I read that account, as you can tell from my response.

    It was very encouraging.
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    We're having a similar time in Alabama. We also have people who choose to limit the OC they do until the atmosphere improves. There's nothing wrong with that.

    The way I see it, OC (especially in places like Alabama and, apparently, Mississippi) is a trade-off. You have less chance of being harassed by criminals, and more chance of being harassed by uninformed cops.

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    Please don't get the idea that this is a lecture, because it is not intended to be.

    But for all the folks out there waiting for the atmosphere to improve, or the cops to get the memo I'd like to lnow how you expect that to happen?

    Sure, it takes guts to do something new and different. It takes real guts to do something legal and new and different when you have reason to believe that someone out there may choose to make your day (and the following months/years) miserable just because they can. but if you don't do it, who will?

    If you are sure in your mind that OC is legal, and you know how to walk without fingerf***ing your firearm every two minutes, then who cares (in the long view) what the cop on the corner feels about it? If you were right you will come out the other end not only feeling better about yourself but with the gratitude of the rest of the folks in your area/state. Oh, the financial compensation for having violated your rights might be enough to brighten your day when you step out of that tunnel.

    If, on the other hand, you are not convinced OC is legal, then what are you doing to remedy that? Have you written your elected representatices? Have you met with them? Have you put suggested wording in theor hands so all they need to do is sign the form and drop it in the box of proposed legislation? Or if you cannot bring yourself to do that, have you joined and contributed to your state gun rights organization?

    What? You say there is no state gun rights organization in your state? Whose fault is that?

    These are the thoughts I get tired of thinking when I read someone's post about about not OCing because they think the atmosphere is not yet right, or that they heard that the cops may violate their rights.

    I'll make a deal with anybody who might be responsible for me thinking these thoughts - if you will do something to improve the atmosphere or help the local cops understand that just because they do not like the idea they cannot trample your right to do something completely legal, then I will quit writing these long-winded skreeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    SNIP If you are sure in your mind that OC is legal, and you know how to walk without fingerf***ing your firearm every two minutes, then who cares (in the long view) what the cop on the corner feels about it?
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    The problem with that is the tunnel is long and expensive. Everyone has to decide for themselves if the potential gains and losses are worth it, and I'm not going to begrudge someone for deciding they aren't. What I can't stand are the people who claim to support the RKBA, but actively work against open carry.

    My personal opinion on the matter, is the best way to increase awareness and acceptance of OC is to just do it.

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