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Jim675 · Nov 27, 2011

j4l said:
Lost cause,bro. Those of us who "get it" just get it. The rest are either too dense, in denial, or sympathizing with the enemy.

Or you have an incomplete frame of reference.

Or perhaps the others realize that no movement is "pure" anything. Some of the people there attend because their SO / relative / roommate is there. Or to get free sandwiches. Or pick up chicks.

Many of those attending may believe what they're being fed without understanding, they've simply never heard another viewpoint.

Yes - SEIU et al is represented. Finding and convincing those who are educable is not as easy as posting xenophobic rants online.

I had to laugh at the Nazi reference earlier. Which do you wish would have happened in the late 30's:
1. Anti-Nazis gather in secluded groups and complain to each other and write letters to the press and leave the Nazis to gather publicly and gather souls unchallenged
2. Anti-Nazis confront Nazis at every turn in the early public gatherings. Denounce them openly, show the public why they're wrong, offer a better alternatives, etc...

No, I do not think I'm going to convince the president of the local SEIU chapter. Not my target.

Having attended two gathering of OWS now I can tell you that you are demonstrably wrong. "They" are not uniformly evil. Most are simply people, some of them are intelligent and well-spoken.

Don't help if you prefer not to - free country. I remain baffled why you seek to deter, and with such vehemence, anyone else from working on your behalf to win hearts and minds.

Don't bother to vote or support liberty-minded politicians because there are Liberals/Democrats/Soros/Pelosi/Themmmmmmmmm!!11!!!!!!!1111!!

Try it. Its also cheap, fun entertainment.

Dave_pro2a · Nov 27, 2011

Jim675 said:
Or you have an incomplete frame of reference.

Or perhaps the others realize that no movement is "pure" anything. Some of the people there attend because their SO / relative / roommate is there. Or to get free sandwiches. Or pick up chicks.

Many of those attending may believe what they're being fed without understanding, they've simply never heard another viewpoint.

Yes - SEIU et al is represented. Finding and convincing those who are educable is not as easy as posting xenophobic rants online.

I had to laugh at the Nazi reference earlier. Which do you wish would have happened in the late 30's:
1. Anti-Nazis gather in secluded groups and complain to each other and write letters to the press and leave the Nazis to gather publicly and gather souls unchallenged
2. Anti-Nazis confront Nazis at every turn in the early public gatherings. Denounce them openly, show the public why they're wrong, offer a better alternatives, etc...

No, I do not think I'm going to convince the president of the local SEIU chapter. Not my target.

Having attended two gathering of OWS now I can tell you that you are demonstrably wrong. "They" are not uniformly evil. Most are simply people, some of them are intelligent and well-spoken.

Don't help if you prefer not to - free country. I remain baffled why you seek to deter, and with such vehemence, anyone else from working on your behalf to win hearts and minds.

Don't bother to vote or support liberty-minded politicians because there are Liberals/Democrats/Soros/Pelosi/Themmmmmmmmm!!11!!!!!!!1111!!

Try it. Its also cheap, fun entertainment.

SEIU = lazy, good for nothing, social parasites.

OWS = lazy, good for nothing, social parasites.

OWS + SEIU = lazy, good for nothing, social parasites.

God I love math.

Some of the people there attend because their SO / relative / roommate is there. Or to get free sandwiches. Or pick up chicks.

And some are at Occupy Wall Street so that can find victims to RAPE, ASSAULT, and STEAL from, or just to buy/sell drugs. Yeah, great bunch of folks.

Dave_pro2a · Nov 27, 2011

Roy Hobbs said:
There have been precisely 2 official statements by Occupy Wall Street.

This is the second one, and is relevant to the discussion of who is running these things.

http://www.nycga.net/resources/statement-of-autonomy/

Two official statements in how many months? 3? 4?

Yeah, real go getters those OWS folks. They are [strike]better[/strike] worse at getting stuff done than our government.

I guess that "democracy via direct consensus" thing isn't working out so well. On the upsides, it makes them look like the ineffectual, idealistic morons they are (and it's damn entertaining)

Jim675 · Nov 27, 2011

Dave_pro2a said:
SNIP... lazy, good for nothing, social parasites. SNIP

So if some members of a group are lazy, good for nothing, social parasites then no one should talk to them? Or are you saying that absolutely 100% of them are die-hard Socialists?

Here's the problem we've been discussing the entire thread.

If you say 100% are bad then I would counter with my actual experience. I happen to know you are wrong and avoiding the exposure that would make it undeniable.

If you agree that some number less than 100% is evil then you have to admit to throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Take your choice. Feel free to talk to actual human beings instead of just reading slanted, follow-the-leader, snapshots in the press. We certainly always agree with the instant-expert press when they cover 2A issue, right?

Again. Many OWSers are dyed-in-wool commies waiting to elect the next Karl Marx. I identify and ignore them as best I can. Many OWSers are not perma-bonded to their ideas, and some of them have (apparently) never committed murder! I talk to them, when I feel like it.

They are still not my enemies.

Metalhead47 · Nov 28, 2011

Jim675 said:
So if some members of a group are lazy, good for nothing, social parasites then no one should talk to them? Or are you saying that absolutely 100% of them are die-hard Socialists?

Here's the problem we've been discussing the entire thread.

If you say 100% are bad then I would counter with my actual experience. I happen to know you are wrong and avoiding the exposure that would make it undeniable.

If you agree that some number less than 100% is evil then you have to admit to throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Take your choice. Feel free to talk to actual human beings instead of just reading slanted, follow-the-leader, snapshots in the press. We certainly always agree with the instant-expert press when they cover 2A issue, right?

Again. Many OWSers are dyed-in-wool commies waiting to elect the next Karl Marx. I identify and ignore them as best I can. Many OWSers are not perma-bonded to their ideas, and some of them have (apparently) never committed murder! I talk to them, when I feel like it.

They are still not my enemies.

Will they be your enemies when they are voting your rights away alongside their lil Marxist buddies? Those of whom you speak are no different than the apathetic sheeple who half-heartedly supported the Bolsheviks & the Nazis. If they are not trash from their own personal ideologies, then they are made trash by associating with trash.

I don't want to "win their hearts & minds," I just want to napalm them all

Dave_pro2a · Nov 28, 2011

Jim675 said:
So if some members of a group are lazy, good for nothing, social parasites then no one should talk to them? Or are you saying that absolutely 100% of them are die-hard Socialists?

Here's the problem we've been discussing the entire thread.

If you say 100% are bad then I would counter with my actual experience. I happen to know you are wrong and avoiding the exposure that would make it undeniable.

If you agree that some number less than 100% is evil then you have to admit to throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Take your choice. Feel free to talk to actual human beings instead of just reading slanted, follow-the-leader, snapshots in the press. We certainly always agree with the instant-expert press when they cover 2A issue, right?

Again. Many OWSers are dyed-in-wool commies waiting to elect the next Karl Marx. I identify and ignore them as best I can. Many OWSers are not perma-bonded to their ideas, and some of them have (apparently) never committed murder! I talk to them, when I feel like it.

They are still not my enemies.

If a boyscout hangs out with a bunch of MS 13 gang members, I'm going to make some assumptions. Association can lead reasonable people to form relevant opinions. That's a fact of life and human nature, cope with it.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45443...s-students-held-amid-egypt-protests-fly-home/ If 3 American morons go to a protest in the middle east, well, they kinda deserve whatever happens to them. A few good people hanging out with the OWS scum are no different.

Jim675 · Nov 28, 2011

Metalhead47 said:
Will they be your enemies when they are voting your rights away alongside their lil Marxist buddies? Those of whom you speak are no different than the apathetic sheeple who half-heartedly supported the Bolsheviks & the Nazis. ...SNIP

No, they just be unrepentant fools. I would much prefer they repent prior to that vote. And unless someone gives them a reason too why would they?

Metalhead47 said:
SNIP... If they are not trash from their own personal ideologies, then they are made trash by associating with trash. ...SNIP

If they so readily adsorb the color of the ideas around them then why don't we all go rub off on them?

Metalhead47 said:
I don't want to "win their hearts & minds," I just want to napalm them all

I'd prefer you not. If you were granted the authority to do so legally you'd be an oligarch that I would be forced to resist on principle. If you do it unlawfully then we would lose a good 2A voice.

While its not glamorous, it really is entertaining to talk with them. Just start with a good attitude and deal with them as friends you haven't met yet. Many will disappoint, but not all.

Dave_pro2a · Nov 28, 2011

Jim675 said:
So if some members of a group are lazy, good for nothing, social parasites then no one should talk to them? Or are you saying that absolutely 100% of them are die-hard Socialists?

Here's the problem we've been discussing the entire thread.

If you say 100% are bad then I would counter with my actual experience. I happen to know you are wrong and avoiding the exposure that would make it undeniable.

If you agree that some number less than 100% is evil then you have to admit to throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Take your choice. Feel free to talk to actual human beings instead of just reading slanted, follow-the-leader, snapshots in the press. We certainly always agree with the instant-expert press when they cover 2A issue, right?

Again. Many OWSers are dyed-in-wool commies waiting to elect the next Karl Marx. I identify and ignore them as best I can. Many OWSers are not perma-bonded to their ideas, and some of them have (apparently) never committed murder! I talk to them, when I feel like it.

They are still not my enemies.

Here's another idea:

You do something so offensive, so dastardly, so despicable... it will get met with visceral dislike and vigorous resistance.

Hang with the swine, and reap what you sow. (oh crap, am I mixing colloquialisms?)

MadHatter66 · Nov 28, 2011

Jim675 said:
SNIP

Most are simply people, some of them are intelligent and well-spoken.

Like this guy? :lol:

[video=youtube_share;Wl1ObUGAoHE]http://youtu.be/Wl1ObUGAoHE[/video]

Jim675 · Nov 28, 2011

Dave_pro2a said:
Here's another idea:

You do something so offensive, so dastardly, so despicable... it will get met with visceral dislike and vigorous resistance.

Hang with the swine, and reap what you sow. (oh crap, am I mixing colloquialisms?)

So how long of an "association" does it take to become infected? I've spent maybe 3 hours there. Do I have to be a socialist now? Dave, with all due respect, this seems childish. You might say the same thing about any number of groups who support wealth-redistribution: Dems, libs, unions - sure. What about minorities since they tend to vote Dem? Women as well. For that matter, Repubs were the record holders in spending prior to Obama so lets eliminate them as well. Doesn't leave many people to talk with.

I'll tell you what gentleman. I will drop this thread. To tell the truth all I see is disregard of enumerated rights and xenophobia on the part of a few OWSers and a few OCDOers. Both are equally sad and for the exact same reasons.

Have a good evening and carry on.

Metalhead47 · Nov 28, 2011

Jim675 said:
If they so readily adsorb the color of the ideas around them then why don't we all go rub off on them?

Because your one little whisper of a conversation will be no match for the clamor of idiocy they choose to surround themselves with. If they had any spark of real intelligence or willingness to modify their own ideals, they wouldn't be there in the first place.

Jim675 said:
I'd prefer you not. If you were granted the authority to do so legally you'd be an oligarch that I would be forced to resist on principle. If you do it unlawfully then we would lose a good 2A voice.

Oh I will be the first to admit I'd make a horrible leader. It's the always the Evil Overlords who have all the fun. I would sweep you aside like the pathetic flies you are, vermin! Muahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *hack*hack*gasp*

Jim675 said:
While its not glamorous, it really is entertaining to talk with them. Just start with a good attitude and deal with them as friends you haven't met yet. Many will disappoint, but not all.

I find nothing entertaining about conversing with stupid people. Deal with too many of them on a daily basis already. I have little to no tolerance for such. And as stated before, I do not want to be associated with that lot in any way shape or form. I will go to great lengths to NOT be where they are.

MadHatter66 said:
Like this guy? :lol:

[video=youtube_share;Wl1ObUGAoHE]http://youtu.be/Wl1ObUGAoHE[/video]

Eeewwwwwwww he didn't even wipe, that's nasty!

Metalhead47 · Nov 28, 2011

Jim675 said:
So how long of an "association" does it take to become infected? I've spent maybe 3 hours there. Do I have to be a socialist now? Dave, with all due respect, this seems childish. You might say the same thing about any number of groups who support wealth-redistribution: Dems, libs, unions - sure. What about minorities since they tend to vote Dem? Women as well. For that matter, Repubs were the record holders in spending prior to Obama so lets eliminate them as well. Doesn't leave many people to talk with.

I'll tell you what gentleman. I will drop this thread. To tell the truth all I see is disregard of enumerated rights and xenophobia on the part of a few OWSers and a few OCDOers. Both are equally sad and for the exact same reasons.

Have a good evening and carry on.

Ah yes, the last refuge of a loosing argument: referring to the other side with nasty polysyllabic names. I haven't seen anyone here disregarding their rights, ever post on the matter has SUPPORTED their right to say what they want. We do not fear they because they are DIFFERENT, it's quite the opposite. We fear what they may do because they are ALL too familiar, and the damage their ideology has caused here and elsewhere has been well documented.

Dave_pro2a · Nov 28, 2011

Jim675 said:
I'll tell you what gentleman. I will drop this thread.

Bye bye.

(just wanted to quote it in case he edits it, when he comes back to this thread).

Dave_pro2a · Nov 28, 2011

Metalhead47 said:
Ah yes, the last refuge of a loosing argument: referring to the other side with nasty polysyllabic names. I haven't seen anyone here disregarding their rights, ever post on the matter has SUPPORTED their right to say what they want. We do not fear they because they are DIFFERENT, it's quite the opposite. We fear what they may do because they are ALL too familiar, and the damage their ideology has caused here and elsewhere has been well documented.

I fully support their right to be annoying idiots.

I thank them for their service, their 1 and only worthwhile service... exposing the consequences of a militarized police force.

Schlepnier · Nov 28, 2011

How sweet it is.....
for those of you defending the "poor protesters sprayed with pepper spray in the face down in cali" here is a news flash for you...they now admit they provoked the police into using force.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/11/28/pepper-sprayed-students-admit-they-provoked-cops/

Metalhead47 · Nov 28, 2011

Schlepnier said:
How sweet it is.....
for those of you defending the "poor protesters sprayed with pepper spray in the face down in cali" here is a news flash for you...they now admit they provoked the police into using force.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/11/28/pepper-sprayed-students-admit-they-provoked-cops/

Whaaaaaaaat?????? You mean they intentionally provoked the police in order to get a violent response and got.... A VIOLENT RESPONSE???

Wow. I'm just shocked, shocked really. Whoda thunk it. Wow.

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Dave_pro2a · Nov 29, 2011

To be fair, the banks deserve a lot of hate. Wall street too.

No, I haven't been drinking. The OWS group are still mostly communist scum.

Metalhead47 · Nov 29, 2011

Dave_pro2a said:
To be fair, the banks deserve a lot of hate. Wall street too.

No, I haven't been drinking. The OWS group are still mostly communist scum.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Don't make it any less broken.

MSG Laigaie · Nov 30, 2011

Metalhead47 said:
Whaaaaaaaat?????? You mean they intentionally provoked the police in order to get a violent response and got.... A VIOLENT RESPONSE???
Wow. I'm just shocked, shocked really. Whoda thunk it. Wow.

Not new news, just dumb enough to admit it. My Sweet Baboo monitors the occupy bellingham bozos. I have seen(it is posted on the internet in their 'meeting minutes') the occupiers discussing provoking violence because it looks good in the press.
I keep reading the 1A over and over again, and it does not allow violence of action.

gogodawgs · Nov 30, 2011

MSG Laigaie said:
Not new news, just dumb enough to admit it. My Sweet Baboo monitors the occupy bellingham bozos. I have seen(it is posted on the internet in their 'meeting minutes') the occupiers discussing provoking violence because it looks good in the press.
I keep reading the 1A over and over again, and it does not allow violence of action.

Correct, you may not 'incite imminent lawless action'. (Brandenburg v Ohio, 1969)

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