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    ALERT: WA Ceasefire to push O.C. ban in 2012 !!!!!

    EXCLUSIVE! WA Ceasefire to seek Evergreen State open carry ban

    Washington Ceasefire has announced that it will ask the Washington State Legislature to ban open carry of firearms in the Evergreen State, a move that comes just months after California’s lawmakers did the same thing.

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...open-carry-ban

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    Personally, I don't think they have a chance to get this done in WA. However, I will keep an eye on it.
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    Haha. Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Haha. Good luck
    That was actually the first thought that came to me when reading this.
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    Never underestimate the abilities of a small yet determined enemy. We have to ensure that such a ban does not happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Haha. Good luck
    If ^HE^ says that, makes me feel much better.

    Quote Originally Posted by acmariner99 View Post
    Never underestimate the abilities of a small yet determined enemy. We have to ensure that such a ban does not happen.
    But of course ^HE'S^ got a durn good point too.
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    Do they have meets or anything? I would like to attend one because they just want to reduce gun violence, and that's a good thing. I would be open carrying of course, but I think gun violence is always something that should be reduced.

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    While this is similar to the Little Boy That Cried Wolf let us not be so complacent or arrogant to feel it could not happen, keep apprised and if action is needed then respond.

    There is no doubt that a certain number of gun owners see no issue of banning open carry even though this would be a huge step toward banning carry outside the home.

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    I agree

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    While this is similar to the Little Boy That Cried Wolf let us not be so complainant or arrogant to feel it could n
    ot happen, keep apprised and if action is needed then respond.

    There is no doubt that a certain number of gun owners see no issue of banning open carry even though this would be a huge step toward banning carry outside the home.

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    Folks,

    I take this as serious as a heart attack and am telling all that we need to pay attention to this very closely. I have done work in Oly, and while it is an ardous process to get legislation changed and through the process, you can't tell what's going to happen. I've successfuly passed legislative change, and it's hard work (2 years).....they've thrown down the gauntlet directly at our feet. This is also not news....it has been publically announced as a 2012 intiative on their website for months.

    If this attempt is seated in modification of our existing 9.40, it will also open up to amendment the entire language of the bill....and while it may be an opportunity to refine some of the language that we debate here, it may also have some unintended consequences.

    This bill will dropped and go to the judiciary committee in the House, the Senate or both....I have had a conversation with Sen. Mike Carroll who is pro-actively a 2A supporter, but he made it quite clear to me that "no right is absolute" and he does not see the value in open carry....he is a Rep. and sits on this committee....and while he is usually on the opposite side from his Democratic counterparts, they may find some bi-partisan politics to agree on here.

    If any of you have a direct line or personal relationship with any of the legislators in your district, you might want to start shining them up a little.
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    I should also point out that Open Carry is a divisive issue within the pro-2A community as well. Police departments may take issue with it (Seattle PD comes to mind). As much as I hate to say it, if WA CeaseFire wants to make an example of Open Carry in Washington, they DO have a chance due to the lack of unified support from the 2A community. Granted they don't have any proof to their claims -- OCers are targets, guns get taken from holsters and used against them, yadda yadda -- their main comment, 'it's scary' sadly carries weight to those driven by emotions and not facts. It is up to us to ensure facts regarding open carry are upheld, get support from LE, the NRA, etc. This one little extremist group may not have a lot of clout, but without a strong voice demanding our rights be preserved, there is a risk WA will end up like the DPRK. (Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia.)

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    I would/will take this threat serously. There are a lot of people that have bought into the anti's (and cops) elitism. Only certain privilaged persons should be allowed to carry. Allowed to go to it's natural end, you have what CA, NJ and some other states have.

    When I was growing up I was told that honest men carry honestly, they have nothing to hide. It is the people that are up to no good that hide their weapons. While that is not completely true, how many crinimals/crimes do you know of that did not/were not concealed prior to their unlawful use of the firearm?

    If we really what to do something, let's go on the offensive and lobby for a repeal of 270, or at a minimum, the addition of a specific statement that a properly holstered firearm is an exemption under 270(3) or wording such that a properly holstered firearm does not meet this criteria. I would perfer just getting rid of Lowry's legacy.

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    'they' said it would never happen in CA, and 'they' said it wouldn't happen in 1994 (OC was banned in WA from '94-'97 IIRC).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jt59 View Post
    I have had a conversation with Sen. Mike Carroll who is pro-actively a 2A supporter, but he made it quite clear to me that "no right is absolute" and he does not see the value in open carry
    I don't see much value in reading a Koran.
    I don't see much value in driving a Subaru.
    I don't see much value in reading the Seattle Times newspaper.

    I wonder if Mike Carroll would help me out on getting these all banned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Haha. Good luck
    +1

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    Just in case you missed the related thread, please feel free to copy and reuse information from this article when contacting your representative.

    Gun Prohibitionists Latest Trick: "Let's Pass a Law to Make Gun Owners HIDE their Guns"
    http://www.washingtonceasefire.net/content/view/143/27/

    The best weapon against the gun prohibitionists is to use their own words against them, as they can't keep their stories straight.

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    Look for ceasefire to start thier media campaign when thier flowers bloom around greenlake this spring, good photo op.

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    Gregory Roberts, the new executive director of Washington Ceasefire considers himself a savvy media professional, and believes he has the skills to kick our butt: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregorycroberts

    Here's a contrary opinion excerpted from an article in Seattle Weekly:

    http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/daily...lenge_move.php

    Even Nickels reportedly might help lobby for it in the state legislature starting in January. That's where the fight moves now, as the court says it should. Among others, Washington Ceasefire is campaigning against open-carry of guns statewide. As the gun-control group says of its plans:

    Our legislative priority for the 2012 state legislative session is to prohibit the unconcealed, open carrying of loaded weapons. It is legal in this state to carry a loaded weapon in full view without a permit, even in government buildings such as the state Capitol - and into legislative hearing rooms during a public hearing. Open carrying of loaded guns was prohibited in Dodge City during the days of the Wild West and is currently prohibited in such gun-friendly states as Texas, Oklahoma and Florida.

    "Like that's going to happen [here] in an election year," sneers Workman. "Lawmakers are not about to appease the far Left mayor of the state's largest political Twilight Zone against the interests of more than 345,000 legally-licensed armed citizen voters who may not need one more excuse to vote Republican in November 2012."

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    Please refresh my memory. How many times did Rossi win the election?

    And people think the liberals can't "get stuff done" in this state.

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    We should probably sticky this topic so we can keep updated incase we need to do an show of force en mass at some state hearing or need to contact our represnetatives.
    Lets keep our eye open and ears to the ground on this one. i for one do not want to havbe to wear a jacket in 70+ degree weather in the summer just to make some whiner feel better about himself.
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    Rather than assume it Can't Be Done, just remember it will be far easier to fight the change BEFORE it happens than AFTER!


    Remember, they aren't trying to ban all gun possession and carry, just Open Carry. This stance will garner them all kinds of support from those in groups like the NRA that think a handgun is something to be carried only when hunting or left on the nightstand for home protection.

    Expect the argument that by forcing people to carry concealed then the State has the ability to do background checks for the CPL. I can hear the statements "well, they can still carry, and this way we know who's doing so legally".

    Do not think this change "can't" be made. Taking that position will only insure that does happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Rather than assume it Can't Be Done, just remember it will be far easier to fight the change BEFORE it happens than AFTER!


    Remember, they aren't trying to ban all gun possession and carry, just Open Carry. This stance will garner them all kinds of support from those in groups like the NRA that think a handgun is something to be carried only when hunting or left on the nightstand for home protection.

    Expect the argument that by forcing people to carry concealed then the State has the ability to do background checks for the CPL. I can hear the statements "well, they can still carry, and this way we know who's doing so legally".

    Do not think this change "can't" be made. Taking that position will only insure that does happen.
    +1 ^^

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    There's another point to be made about this whole thing -- right now gun owners are playing defense only.

    It is far better for our side to recognize this as an opportunity to submit our alternate bills. So, what are some potential alternate bills?

    1) Constitutional carry with optional licenses for reciprocity.
    2) Scrapping victim disarmament zone laws, particularly with regard to elementary and high schools.

    I for one will ask my state senator (who claims to be pro-gun) to sponsor such bills. As long as we only fight defensively, the best we can hope for are outcomes that will not make things worse.

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    Something the CC only crowd needs to keep in mind (and it would help if Dave might mention this angle in his articles) is that OC isn't just about being able to wear a drop leg holster, or tucking your winter coat behind your gun while your walking around.

    OC also includes having another option during warm weather, or being able to take off your coat to be comfortable while your at your favorite restaurant, and even acts as a protection from "printing and peaking" laws.

    Washington CCers who are against OC also need to ask themselves if they are ready for the draconian CC laws the likes of Texas and Florida where you cant even step out of your own front door without worry of being reported.

    Anyone who thinks it could never be implemented to that extent just needs to talk to a Texan in the know. The Texas CC laws were never intended to be interpreted as harshly as the way they have been by their courts.

    Washington CCers need to think very carefully about how many times they have been protected by the fact that OC is legal, and consequentially that the mere casual showing of a pistol in its holster is not considered a mortal sin by the mass majority of our states citizens.

    Washington die-hard CCers may be benefiting from the legality of OC much more often than they think.
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    A note on the issue of Concealed Carriers being at issue that do not care for Open Carry but Gun Owners in General have from my experience a distaste for it. Pointing fingers at them may not be the way to gain support from that area of legal firearms owners.
    By ensuring Open Carry stays a part of our daily carry in Washington will benefit all legal firearms owners.
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    Remember History

    "First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~Martin Niemöller
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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