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    found another misguided NRA instructor.

    Found a paper posted up at the counter of my local lawnmower repair shop advertising for the NRA basic pistol safety course. The following is the exact wording. He doesn't have a web site just a phone number to call.

    Connecticut requires a pistol safety course, which is taught by a NRA certified instructor in order to apply for concealed carry permit. This course will cover every aspect of safe, responsible, handgun ownership. Topics covered include: basic knowledge and operation of handguns and ammunition, also safe management of both, correct shooting techniques and stances, storage of a handgun and childproofing, selecting a suitable handgun and ammunition, methods of concealed carry, and Connecticut gun laws. A live fire shooting session is also included.
    He doesn't give a website or email address only the name Dan and his phone number xxx-xxx-xxxx (EDITED BY ADMINISTRATOR: I am not sure that we should be posting the phone number of someone who isn't a public figure).

    I can't decide if I want to call him and risk an argument on the phone but I probably will call him anyway.

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    Pistol Permit failllll.

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    Just found out my club has the same thing (I just joined last week!).

    I'll ask 'em about it as well.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KIX View Post
    Just found out my club has the same thing (I just joined last week!).

    I'll ask 'em about it as well.

    Jonathan
    Talk to Nick about this.

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    As soon as I figure out who he is!

    I have a ton of names to start learnin'.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Shawn, I too are taken issue with someone local who is advertising a class with similar wording. His name is Henry Moses, NRA Cert. Inst. # 860-942-3643 he is from the Brooklyn area I believe. I will call "your guy" when I get a couple minutes.

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    Is it possible that this instructor is just NOT aware of OC? This is a short notice offering a class for a "Concealed Carry Permit". I know that when I first got into firearms I never even considered OC. I don't know one way or the other but by my read of the included course offering there is nothing there that it ANTI open carry.
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    If one is an instructor, one is expected to know - open carry, concealed carry, any way you want carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    If one is an instructor, one is expected to know - open carry, concealed carry, any way you want carry.
    Agreed! Just suggesting maybe the instructor felt he had enough on his card already.
    And yes a gentle phone call asking him is in order. His response would dictate the tone of the rest of the conversation.
    It just seemed to me that there may have been a determination made already that this instructor was not as informed as he could have been all based on a business card type ad for a concealed carry course.

    Carry on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    If one is an instructor, one is expected to know - open carry, concealed carry, any way you want carry.
    Unless he only knows the course material required to be an NRA-certified instructor. The Personal Protection Outside the Home course states outright that the firearm must be concealed. Of course, the NRA is absolutely wrong on this, but it could be that the instructor is legitimately ignorant. I make a special point to my students that the NRA is wrong when I cover this material.
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    query...what specific aspects of the ad is causing concern?

    forgive the intrusion into your thread...but what specifically is of concern w/the ad as posted?

    wabbit

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncwabbit View Post
    forgive the intrusion into your thread...but what specifically is of concern w/the ad as posted?

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    I would think it would be because in Connecticut we have no such thing as a 'concealed carry permit'.

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    truly...

    then this link from usacarry.com is in error?

    http://www.usacarry.com/connecticut_...formation.html

    as might the state of connecticut dot gov site which states, in part:
    "The Special License and Firearms Unit is responsible for the issuance of state pistol permits. Applicants for a state pistol permit must first apply for, and be granted a local pistol permit. A local pistol permit may be obtained from the police chief in the town in which you reside or maintain a place of business."
    "Out of state residents may apply for a non resident Connecticut State Pistol Permit. Non residents apply directly to the Connecticut State Police, Special Licensing and Firearms Unit."

    ref:http://www.ct.gov/dps/cwp/view.asp?a...94502&dpsNav=|

    IMHO, I think u can see my confusion factor at this point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncwabbit View Post
    then this link from usacarry.com is in error?

    http://www.usacarry.com/connecticut_...formation.html
    Yes, this is wrong. I have requested them to change this in the past. You can also see this in their 'open carry' section as well as in the comments.

    as might the state of connecticut dot gov site which states, in part:
    "The Special License and Firearms Unit is responsible for the issuance of state pistol permits. Applicants for a state pistol permit must first apply for, and be granted a local pistol permit. A local pistol permit may be obtained from the police chief in the town in which you reside or maintain a place of business."
    "Out of state residents may apply for a non resident Connecticut State Pistol Permit. Non residents apply directly to the Connecticut State Police, Special Licensing and Firearms Unit."

    ref:http://www.ct.gov/dps/cwp/view.asp?a...94502&dpsNav=|

    IMHO, I think u can see my confusion factor at this point...

    This says nothing of concealment.
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    guess i am still confused a bit

    now a quote from the conn citizens defense league publication sited above:...66 Year Old New London City Ordinance Banning Concealed Carry is Being Addressed. Only two cities currently have ordinances banning the concealed carry of weapons. One is New Britain, the other just so happens to be in the city that CCDL President Scott Wilson lives in. (http://www.ccdl.us/)

    so u can see my confusion factor at this point...

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    further information leading to a larger confusion factor...from the ct pistol permit issues site>>>

    GUN PERMIT-RELATED QUESTIONS

    1. Is there any statute prescribing that firearms must be carried concealed?

    The answer is no. The law does not address this issue. But, with limited exceptions, it is illegal to carry a handgun, whether concealed or openly, without a permit, except in one’s home or place of business (CGS § 29-35(a)).

    http://ctpistolpermitissues.com/nine...questions-olr/


    I am sure you can see there might be a huge confusion factor...

    wabbit

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncwabbit View Post
    now a quote from the conn citizens defense league publication sited above:...66 Year Old New London City Ordinance Banning Concealed Carry is Being Addressed. Only two cities currently have ordinances banning the concealed carry of weapons. One is New Britain, the other just so happens to be in the city that CCDL President Scott Wilson lives in. (http://www.ccdl.us/)

    so u can see my confusion factor at this point...
    No. I can't. What does this have to do with the fact that there is no such thing as a 'concealed weapons permit'?

    We have a pistol permit, you may carry openly or concealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncwabbit View Post
    I am sure you can see there might be a huge confusion factor...
    You need to stop and read the thread and the ad before you keep quoting various sites on the internet.

    - Connecticut has no such thing as a 'concealed carry permit'.

    - Connecticut has a pistol permit.

    - A pistol permit allows you to buy a pistol and carry it openly or concealed.

    - Nothing you have posted so far shows confusion about this other than USA carry which also contradicts itself and is flagrantly wrong.


    There is no confusion over this other than what you (and misinformed 'instructors') are generating.
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    Wow, Rich, didn't know you did that as well.

    I requested they change that well over a year ago and they still have it up there.

    I'm starting to wonder if they get multiple requests, still don't change the info, how valuable of a resource is it?

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Mitola View Post
    Found a paper posted up at the counter of my local lawnmower repair shop advertising for the NRA basic pistol safety course. The following is the exact wording. He doesn't have a web site just a phone number to call.



    He doesn't give a website or email address only the name Dan and his phone number 203-581-1833

    I can't decide if I want to call him and risk an argument on the phone but I probably will call him anyway.
    There's nothing wrong with him covering the "methods of concealed carry". He may or may not choose to cover the methods of open carry. But there's nothing wrong with that statement.

    Of course, I agree with the first item you hilight.

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    I can get behind Don on that one.

    If an instructor at least says open carry is legal, but offers instruction on concealed carry, I'm fine with that.

    I usually mention if you open carry, good holstering options (retention holsters and such).

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    If they claim to be offering a class to obtain a 'concealed carry permit' in Connecticut, they are (at best) advertising something that doesn't exist.

    He should change that and I agree with Shawn that it would be a good time to find out if he understands the actual laws in CT.


    Anyone prancing around talking about 'CCWs' or 'concealed carry permits' in Connecticut should at least be viewed with a little skepticism for whether they understand the laws here.

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    I think we all agree on that one.....

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    In this guy's defense, it is certainly possible to get your instructor's cert without knowing the real rules on carrying. The pistol safety course does not include any training on state law and many instructors are just misinformed. As a pistol instructor myself, I never knew the real rules before I found this site.

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    An error, I can understand. But when we point it out and you still are dead wrong, and think you're right..... then there is just plain stupidity!

    Jonathan
    www.ctpistolpermitissues.com - tracking all the local issuing authority, DPS and other insanity with permit issues
    www.ctgunsafety.com - my blog and growing list of links useful to gun owners (especially in Connecticut).

    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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